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Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by rayiner on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:04PM (#21774447)
I disagree strongly with closing off an entire sector of content to political advertising. It seems like the goal, or at least the unintentional effect, is to reinforce the traditional media’s monopoly on political discourse.
Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by jmedefind on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:14PM (#21774556)
Traditional media political ads can't micro-target people that are more likely get sucked into their made up "facts" and conspiracy theories.

They also are broadly broadcast so that they can be dis-proven and discussed. Instead they are hidden away only shown to people that won't question it.

If facebook wants to do political ads then it needs to disconnect them from targeting, publish them for public display, publish who paid for the ad, and moderate them to some basic level of being truthful.

Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by Mountain_Skies on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:43PM (#21774853)
> people that are more likely get sucked into their made up "facts" and conspiracy theories. If these people are so easy to fool and manipulate, why do we allow them to vote? If all it takes is some post on Facebook to change their votes, there will be dozens of other easy ways to manipulate them. Are the other ways better because they more opaque or tend towards one ideology or another? Almost all of these arguments boil down to "People are dumber than me so I should be able to control what they see". Dress it up however you want but ultimately this is about feelings of intellectual superiority and a desire to control outcomes in favor of those who wish to control the narrative.
Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by Tempest1981 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:42PM (#21775523)
Not dumber, but easily influenced by lies. Similar to how scammers prey on the elderly.
Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by paulddraper on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:21PM (#21775300)
> Traditional media political ads can't micro-target people

They may not "micro-target", but they can definitely target them.

Any political campaign will tell you they do their damnedest to ensure their ads are running at the right times on the right TV/radio stations.

Honestly, hours of traditional media itself (Fox, MSNBC) likely does far more to bias opinion than handfuls of 30-second ads.

Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by spunker540 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:10PM (#21775158)
Do you think direct mail should be banned too? That is the original microtargeting platform, and is a $44bn industry (so only recently surpassed by Facebook in $ terms)
Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by solveit on Thursday December 12, 2019 @07:41PM (#21778124)
> Do you think direct mail should be banned too?

It should, but only because it's incredibly annoying.

Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by rayiner on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:34PM (#21774733)
I’d put it differently: targeted ads allow campaigns to do more with less by focusing on people who are more likely to be receptive to their messages. That’s a valuable thing that shouldn’t be prohibited.
Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by JumpCrisscross on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:09PM (#21775142)
> targeted ads allow campaigns to do more with less by focusing on people who are more likely to be receptive to their messages

Fair point. I suppose targeting could be balanced against a public cool-down period.

So you can randomly target people in the district now. Or, make your targeted ad publicly available for N days before it goes out. This would let the public see it, check it, and potentially respond before the damage is done.

No censorship. Just a head start for the public if a campaign wants to target.

Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by rumanator on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:32PM (#21774722)
> I disagree strongly with closing off an entire sector of content to political advertising.

I feel like you are inadvertedly misrepresenting OP's point. The OP specifically referred to geographically targeted ads, which have already a long history of being manipulated to subvert the Democratic process by foreign actors with disastrous consequences, and instead you somehow are talking about "closing off an entire sector of content to political advertising"?

It might not have been your intention but your post sounds like a disingenuous strawman.

Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by rayiner on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:37PM (#21774784)
OP said “ban non-geographically targeted ads.” Besides, the “long history of being manipulated ... with disastrous consequences” is a [citation needed] assertion. Certainly, the thin support for that position doesn’t overcome the fact that it makes total sense to allow targeting ads by geography. There is no point in Trump running ads in Baltimore, or Warren running ads in rural Virginia.
Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by rumanator on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:57PM (#21775689)
> OP said “ban non-geographically targeted ads.”

Yes, and you've made a gross misrepresentation by equating it wi "closing off an entire sector of content to political advertising." It's a very disingenuous take on what was actually said.

> Besides, the “long history of being manipulated ... with disastrous consequences” is a [citation needed] assertion.

Really? In this day and age are you still trying to turn a blind eye to the elections in the US and the UK?

> Certainly, the thin support for that position doesn’t overcome the fact that it makes total sense to allow targeting ads by geography.

You're again coming off as very disingenuous by misrepresenting what was actually said, as the OP specifically talked about non-geographically targeted ads and you in turn decided to talk about the exact opposite.

Re:Facebook Pledges $130M to Fund “Supreme Court” for Content by edmundsauto on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:24PM (#21776648)
Genuine question - where is the concrete evidence of harm from the interference in the 2016 elections? We hear a lot about how Cambridge Analytica destroyed the political process, or Russia... But what are the facts in evidence for harm?

Put another way: how can we determine actual harm caused, and be sure that it isn't blown out of proportion? (IE Cambridge Analytica playing up their capabilities to get new customers)