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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by alfiedotwtf on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @04:55PM (#21767177)
I logged in just to make this same comment but you beat me to it. Agile is micromanagement in disguise, and we fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by Aeolun on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @07:51PM (#21768380)
To be fair, we were already micromanaged. Then Agile was posited as a solution, so of course we were enthusiastic. Unfortunately the only thing that appeared to change was the name.

So we’re not really any worse off than before.

Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by sailfast on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @11:36PM (#21769299)
Are you sure you haven’t just always been micromanaged and this is another way for that to happen? All things can be abused for bad purposes.

I haven’t heard too many examples of “oh man we used to be free and ship great features on time but now that we have a backlog and talk to each other every day it’s a hellscape death march”

Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by alfiedotwtf on Thursday December 12, 2019 @12:39AM (#21769530)
I've done my stint in "large enterprise". It's a whole new world there where management believe that if projects aren't on track, then the solution is more meetings, more agile training and in-house "coaches", and even more micromanaging. I'm no longer in that world, and I'll never go back.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by sailfast on Thursday December 12, 2019 @08:15AM (#21771539)
As someone that has also worked for large enterprises as well as government, I’d say that using agile can be another way to micromanage, but it can also be used in a way that improves product quality and impact while helping developers.

Generally, I’ve found that the level to which agile approaches make life better depends on how much management is actually willing to let the team do its work and stay empowered. This can happen with trust and top cover in large enterprises, but it takes constant work at the PO / product manager level otherwise regression to the mean takes over. Also hard to avoid the inertia of making successful teams bigger rather than letting them continue small.

I wonder how the Amazons / Facebooks of the world avoid the trap, but then their enabling teams are likely a big percentage of their workforce because they understand how important software is to their business.

Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by greenshackle2 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:17AM (#21773168)
By top cover, do you mean managers shielding lower level employees? That was my experience at a mid-size finance firm, it was only possible for my team do to decent work because my team lead was fairly competent at keeping the higher-ups up at bay.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by organsnyder on Friday December 13, 2019 @07:59AM (#21781138)
The best managers I've worked for have understood that one of their key roles is to be shit-umbrellas.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by sailfast on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:21PM (#21775987)
Precisely.