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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by jpincheira on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:02AM (#21762980)
Bad. Went I went from JS front end to iOS, I was put in a learning period on my own + internship in the iOS team and that worked great. It’s how companies like Spotify also did it. They paid companies like the Big Nerd Ranch to travel to Stockholm and give workshops to future iOS devs.

They benefited and I also did, as it helped me evolve into a full-stack (web, mobile & server) developer. This was essential for me to transition into building my own company [1] at a later point, as I could build the product on my own both for web and mobile.

[1] https://standups.io

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by WrtCdEvrydy on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:07AM (#21763018)
We have a formal mentorship program and employees get 4 hours a month for professional development. We still feel we fail them.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by rytill on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:46AM (#21763506)
Using the word "still" there is uncalibrated. 4 hours per month is barely anything.

Imagine yourself trying to learn a real skill in that allocation of time.

If anything, you may even be reducing your tech employees' "professional development" with that metric, because I bet the average tech employee already spends greater than 4 hours per month on active learning with or without management actively allowing them.

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by ghaff on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:09AM (#21763044)
>4 hours a month for professional development

So half a day a month? That's pretty much nothing. Maybe time to work through a couple chapters of a book on some new topic.

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by WrtCdEvrydy on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @11:02AM (#21763703)
Yeah, it's supposed to be on top of their existing 1-1s, but we still feel we fail them.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by jsjw7sbw on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:17AM (#21763145)
Make that 4 hours a week and maybe you'll feel better.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by WrtCdEvrydy on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @11:01AM (#21763688)
Unfortunately, HR is in charge of 'professional development'. Noone wants to fight HR and would rather keep their cushy job, get paid and let this thing crater.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by sethammons on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @11:50AM (#21764238)
Unfortunately, that is when, as a team, you have to not classify things certain ways. Still meet your commitments, but bake in learning time. It just becomes part of what you do during the sprint. Likewise, you should not have a "testing time", "quality", or "security" budget - you just bake those into how the team operates.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by randomidiot666 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @01:10PM (#21765108)
^ This is the way. Learn how to sell it or hide it from those HR parasites.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by all2 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @02:37PM (#21765931)
Calling an entire field of personnel "parasites" is an ad hominem attack.

Even if you were to justify your statement, it would be an ad hominem attack.

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by randomidiot666 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:31PM (#21767912)
No shit. Cheers for pointing that out for us.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by eyko on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:16AM (#21763123)
We do 4 hours a week, and I still feel it's too little.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by WrtCdEvrydy on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @11:05AM (#21763726)
We've just given up on it, I just give people tickets with stuff they want to learn about. "Oh, you want to learn Selenium, here's a ticket that has Selenium"
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by jamil7 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:15AM (#21763117)
How did it work out for you? I'm also trying to do the same.
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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by jpincheira on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @01:52PM (#21765534)
It worked out great, but you have to want to do this. You have to set out time for it. No wonder why people from Lambda School get well-paying jobs: it's because you have to be motivated to reach the goal.

Educational materials/courses are out there, it's all about you, wanting to smash it on the wall and work hard for the goal.

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