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Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by dangus on Monday December 09, 2019 @08:30AM (#21742402)
Whether it be drugs, cybernetic enhancements, mental discipline and training, and changes in diet, I’d eschew all of them (maybe except for diet improvement) and instead advocate for this: engineers should stop taking work so seriously.

I don’t really care if I’m working to 100% of my potential. My employer won’t pay me more for that optimization anyway.

I think there’s something of a toxic attitude in Silicon Valley that we should all be honing ourselves into this amazing constantly-tinkering engineer who runs a really cool blog. There’s also a general toxic mentality in America that we can all work our way to becoming billionaires - in reality, none of us can optimize our way into having family connections to the elites in our society. In reality, that engineer doing all that cool stuff in the Bay Area in their shared studio apartment probably doesn’t have a better retirement plan than the community college sysadmin with a paid-off single family home in upstate New York.

For me, I just work to put food on the table. I want to be average enough to he employable. Anything beyond that isn’t worth the diminishing return on investment, or a reduction in family time.

I can’t optimize my way to being genetically gifted enough to match the output of the 10x engineers who do get promoted, and I certainly can’t match their 24/7 dedication to work. Employers generally promote people for making the right person happy at the right time, not for producing the most technically competent work.

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by jacobwilliamroy on Monday December 09, 2019 @08:50AM (#21742573)
I know, right? I'm constantly telling everyone they need to slow down. So many folks seem to forget that there's no point in climbing the ladder quickly, because ultimately, it doesn't actually go anywhere. It's just a ladder.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by throwlaplace on Monday December 09, 2019 @11:44AM (#21744050)
that depends on where you currently are on the ladder because the ladder is on a platform that's slowly (and maybe accelerating) sinking.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by jacobwilliamroy on Monday December 09, 2019 @11:50AM (#21744105)
That's great news! I'll tell everyone the ladder is finally sinking! We don't have to climb anymore! The top is gonna come to us!
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by throwlaplace on Monday December 09, 2019 @12:17PM (#21744351)
...how does that make any sense (even in the universe of my metaphor)?
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by cobbzilla on Monday December 09, 2019 @09:45AM (#21743035)
> I don’t really care if I’m working to 100% of my potential. My employer won’t pay me more for that optimization anyway.

Those who are self-employed may feel differently.

If you value a certain kind of balance in life, I agree with everything you said.

There are many of us who have an internal drive to do “impossible” things; it’s a valuable and inseparable part of our identity.

It’s OK that not everyone has this, the world would probably be worse if everyone did. And it should never feel like an externally-imposed expectation, that would definitely be unhealthy.

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by diffeomorphism on Monday December 09, 2019 @09:13AM (#21742757)
> Anything beyond that isn’t worth the diminishing return on investment, or a reduction in family time

But in order to negotiate good work life balances, family time, free weekends etc. programmers would have to negotiate as a group. Yet for some reason they seem to think that doing that -- forming unions -- is somehow horrible. Thus you alone don't have enough leverage.

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by UnpossibleJim on Monday December 09, 2019 @09:55AM (#21743118)
I can't speak to other industries, but in the gaming industry speaking of unionization will actively get you terminated. Not "directly", as that would be illegal, but it will happen for some "unrelated" reason. It's pretty well known.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by blaser-waffle on Monday December 09, 2019 @10:32AM (#21743435)
IT and Programming have a booming job market and salaries are, on the high end, virtually unrivaled by other industries, save for things like Doctors or high-end Lawyers. And unlike Lw and Medicine, a B.S. from a decent school (plus some hustle) is enough to get in to a FAANG.

Eventually the industry is going to cool, but for now Tech really is the closest thing to that Steinbeck quote about temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by regular_person on Monday December 09, 2019 @11:16AM (#21743822)
Just because we're currently well paid doesn't mean we wouldn't benefit from a union
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by TomMarius on Monday December 09, 2019 @02:18PM (#21745436)
Maybe in the countries where unions are unregulated. Not in my country, where union would get me way lower pay, longer weeks, inability for various work hours adjustments that I normally do, etc. IT sector is very fortunate to not be regulated.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by EthanHeilman on Monday December 09, 2019 @09:38AM (#21742977)
Some people don't view in purely economic terms. People don't enter the Olympics because it pays well. They want to be the best at what they do.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by akhilcacharya on Monday December 09, 2019 @11:12AM (#21743781)
Overall I agree with you but...

> In reality, that engineer doing all that cool stuff in the Bay Area in their shared studio apartment probably doesn’t have a better retirement plan than the community college sysadmin with a paid-off single family home in upstate New York.

I don't think this is accurate, the net worth of the former is probably a multiple of the latter accounting for age.

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by jpadkins on Monday December 09, 2019 @09:57AM (#21743136)
> There’s also a general toxic mentality in America that we can all work our way to becoming billionaires - in reality, none of us can optimize our way into having family connections to the elites in our society.

Current billionaires are almost all from non-elite backgrounds. Only 1 of the top 10 came from a family with billion dollar wealth. https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/#57168b13251c

If you come from an upper middle class background (top 25th percentile), you can become a billionaire in America (with luck and hard work).

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by slumdev on Monday December 09, 2019 @10:18AM (#21743324)
You don't need a billion dollars to have an elite background.

No one in the top ten is a rags-to-riches story. Plenty of elite universities and family connections.

Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by jpadkins on Monday December 09, 2019 @10:55AM (#21743652)
please don't strawman. I never said rags-to-riches. I said upper middle class (25th percentile). Elite universities take great students from upper middle class, and many of those billionaires did not graduate from elite universities.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by akhilcacharya on Monday December 09, 2019 @11:24AM (#21743875)
Eh...you probably can't get into an elite university without already being elite unless you're a recruited athlete or have another "hook". Normal, middle class kids don't win ISEF or math olympiads unless their parents are professors or something.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by mav3rick on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @07:10PM (#21820475)
Many kids do. Just because you didn't doesn't mean others don't.
Re:What are your options for cognitive enhancement? by thisisbrians on Monday December 09, 2019 @03:43PM (#21746328)
Even still, the chances are vanishingly small. Substituting "millionaire" for "billionaire" brings it a bit closer to something to realistically strive for, I think (especially for us software/entrepreneur types).