Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict Success 35 Years Later

Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by lostdog on Saturday December 07, 2019 @04:07PM (#21732563)

A couple of funny tidbits from the paper:

> Of the 677, we were unable to find 27 males and 15 females in our Internet searches (we could not confirm their identities in our contact-information database). Given our method and criteria (Table 1), however, we believe it is unlikely that we missed an individual with a truly illustrious career. ... Our reasoning was that, if someone were truly eminent, then that person should be publicly conspicuous and therefore discoverable through online searches.

And a finalist for the irony in naming things award:

> We used Publish or Perish software (Harzing, 2007) to collect information on each participant’s number of publications, number of patents, and h-index.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by itronitron on Saturday December 07, 2019 @04:18PM (#21732617)

>> if someone were truly eminent, then that person should be publicly conspicuous

rather doubtful, for a variety of reasons, but probably unlikely to affect their numbers

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by icedchai on Saturday December 07, 2019 @09:04PM (#21733942)

I try to keep a low profile, stay off of social media, and leave a minimal fingerprint. I was a "gifted child" of the 80's. I took the SAT when I was in 7th grade, and did better than above average high school seniors.

I have "stealth wealth", most of it from savings and stock market investments. I don't like to draw attention to myself.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by hos234 on Saturday December 07, 2019 @09:48PM (#21734074)

"Impactful" individuals are those that impact society "e.g., full professors at research-intensive universities, Fortune 500 executives, distinguished judges and lawyers, leaders in biomedicine, award-winning journalists and writers".

"stealth wealth" is not impact.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by icedchai on Saturday December 07, 2019 @10:02PM (#21734109)

Ignore the stealth wealth part. I think many "eminent" individuals would also not want to draw unnecessary attention to themselves.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by perl4ever on Sunday December 08, 2019 @08:01PM (#21739660)

My rule of thumb is eminent people do not mention their PSAT scores as a reason why they are eminent.

It's like, say, bringing up your Mensa membership in a job interview.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by ftio on Saturday December 07, 2019 @10:10PM (#21734131)

Eminent means famous.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by icedchai on Saturday December 07, 2019 @10:28PM (#21734180)

It has a different connotation. For example, almost no CS researchers or professors are "famous" in the traditional sense. Yeah, definitely a few here on HN, but not outside their profession, and certainly not to the general public. Even if you look at "Fortune 500 executives", outside of a small subset of CEOs, they're not "famous."

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by kaikai on Sunday December 08, 2019 @12:16AM (#21734449)

And those researchers would publish papers, which would have turned up in their searches.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by lazyasciiart on Sunday December 08, 2019 @04:07AM (#21735015)

Do you think there are Fortune 500 executives that have managed to remain so obscure that somebody who knows their name and life until age 23 would be unable to find out that they held the position?

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by perl4ever on Sunday December 08, 2019 @07:42PM (#21739598)

What's an executive? C-level? Some places everyone is a vice president, right?

It occurs to me that the Fortune 500 is not the S&P 500, so I would question whether information about them is necessarily even as accessible as with a public company.

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by HSO on Sunday December 08, 2019 @04:19AM (#21735044)

Sorry if I burst a bubble but that's not even close to "eminent".

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by rolltiide on Saturday December 07, 2019 @09:45PM (#21734066)

this study isn't gauging wealth at all. which I think is refreshing, but limiting. and I think it also highlights how we are trained that "success" is some arbitrary form of linear or exponential wealth advancement that is assumed to be permanent

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Re:Psychological Constellations Assessed at Age 13 Predict S... by rolltiide on Saturday December 07, 2019 @09:45PM (#21734063)

Well since they aren't just trying to determine if people got rich at some point in time but only looking for public accolades, this is a self-fulfilling outcome

I'll add it to the gradient of life, but I'm more interested in socioeconomic movement

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