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Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by georgeecollins on Friday December 06, 2019 @03:29PM (#21725668)
Are you kidding? Twitter is a tech company with a great brand and a monopoly platform that has a stock that performs like a mall chain. The rate of product change is so slow. There are so many opportunities for growth that are not advertising.

Seriously, if you can't push out a CEO for under-performance in this case, when can you.

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by badrabbit on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:19PM (#21726087)
The rate of product change at twitter is something every company should learn from!

Devs like new features a lot more than users do. Users feel disrupted by new features. Users don't open up their favorite app and say "gee whiz,I wonder what new feature there is today". Users don't even think about twitter, they think about tweets,replies,likes and other users. You focus on what matters to users, not what matters to devs and everyone else who does not get the user base.

Imagine feature-creep at their scale! Twitter is the most tolerable mainstream social media network I know of for many reasons -- all centered around their resistance to change and refusal to follow the trends at fb,instagram,snapchat,linkedin,etc...

Repeat with me: you don't need more growth if everyone is happy and you already have a steady and growing profit. You want more growth of course but you don't need it. You focus on what you have and need first then you consider your wants and features...very slowly.

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by _k8si on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:23PM (#21726606)
One example of a feature that I (a user) would love to see get a little love is Lists.

I use them frequently, but Lists are not well-designed at the moment. I can't see if I've already added a user to a list, the "update" is weirdly different from that of the main timeline, there are no aggregations/stats/summaries and AFAIK, there is no interaction with push notifications. They do nothing on the platform to draw anyone's attention to the feature.

But Lists are great! I can pare down my feed to a curated set of users who are all talking about the same thing -- I have an NLP list, and ML list, a "politics" list, etc. I can follow other people's curated lists too. Twitter is huge, it's awesome to have some path to a smaller cohesive community.

It's really weird to me that they would have a feature "above the fold" on the main menu of the platform that seems so dusty and under-utilized. What's the deal? Do they not have enough engineers over there or something?

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by ISL on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:01PM (#21725944)
Why should the product change? It is perhaps the most-successful one-to-many broadcast system in human history.
Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by georgeecollins on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:05PM (#21725966)
I agree about its success, but I think you could build off of that.

Have you ever used other twitter clients? Why shouldn't the official client have at least some of the features they offer?

Let me ask the HN community! Can anybody here suggest a feature that they would like added to Twitter?

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by amflare on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:14PM (#21726048)
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. "Better" is subjective anyway. Any change with make some people mad, and no change will make others mad. If your product is stable, that's about the best you can hope for. No need to keep tweaking it out of boredom.
Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by georgeecollins on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:48PM (#21726304)
Seriously can you think of any tech product that doesn't get new features every couple years?
Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by amflare on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:23PM (#21726611)
stable !== static

Its like a car, you don't keep pressing the accelerator further and further to travel down the road. You find the optimum location to maintain a safe speed. If something changes, like the road turns, you adjust the accelerator until you are once again safe. If you stayed static, you'd probably fly into a ditch. If you are unnecessarily pumping the pedal, your speed would oscillate unpredictably, and any number of consequences would occur.

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by buboard on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:30PM (#21726167)
sure you can pull a digg and expect more money, but actually lose your users to a competitor. i 'd definitely quit twitter if it starts doing things like what facebook did to FB-page owners by holding their audience hostage for ransom. I think twitter, like reddit, inherently don't have high monetization potential because their format doesn't appeal to the massive audiences which flock to fb / instagram
Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by georgeecollins on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:50PM (#21726321)
>> but actually lose your users to a competitor

Twitter would be incredibly hard to supplant at this point.

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by buboard on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:01PM (#21726893)
if they pull a facebook? i m off, and i m sure many, many will.
Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by patelh on Friday December 06, 2019 @03:42PM (#21725778)
There is no real comparison. Twitter is unique in its market (where it makes money). You can't really compare it to Facebook.
Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by spsful on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:18PM (#21726078)
That is also true. I did agree with the author's position that Dorsey should not be the chief executive of both Square and Twitter. That's probably his strongest case towards removal.

But your point about Twitter's uniqueness is also valid, and something I hadn't seriously thought of before. Around the time of their IPO, I think the general analyst consensus was that Twitter would not make money and their stock was not a buy. It makes sense because their product is wholly different from the suites offered by Facebook or Google, the companies this article and the commenter compare it to. Perhaps the other stakeholders understood this aspect of Twitter and didn't expect large returns from day 1.

Re:Jack Dorsey Needs to Step Down by patelh on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:01PM (#21726428)
I am not sure I agree with the author on how many companies a person should be able to run. Depends on the success of the companies themselves. Look at Musk.