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Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by MagnumOpus on Friday December 06, 2019 @03:45AM (#21720148)
> absolutely no corroborated evidence

There is video and photo evidence from multiple sources on Twitter. There have been extensive reports of victims like British consulate worker Simon Cheng being abducted to the mainland and being tortured. Obviously there wont be any "corroboration" from the PRC state security agency or police...

Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by idlewords on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:33AM (#21720316)
No, there isn't. Look at https://twitter.com/osinthk, they do a really good job getting to the bottom of this stuff.

Cheng was not abducted to the mainland; he was arrested on the mainland side of the boundary crossing at the high-speed rail station in Kowloon, coming back from Shenzhen. The fact that there's a border crossing in downtown Hong Kong is its own issue, but his case can't be called an abduction (unlike the case of the booksellers a few years ago).

Anyway, please stop spreading falsehoods, there's enough of that going around.

Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by tremon on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:10AM (#21720753)
So, your argument that it wasn't an abduction, is because he wasn't taken from Hong Kong, but from Chinese soil?
Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by yorwba on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:30AM (#21720857)
The claim upstream for which there's no evidence: > "people being shipped off in train cars reminiscent of pre-WWII photos that I have only learned about in school."

There's a difference between one person getting arrested and mass deportation. One should be able to criticize the former without falsely claiming that it's the latter.

Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by idlewords on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:51AM (#21720995)
Correct, he was detained on the mainland side of a boundary crossing.
Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by verall on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:09AM (#21721850)
This is correct and I appreciate that but even though he was on the chinese side of west kowloon hsr many would still consider it something of an abduction.

Even clarifying to people he hadn't made it across the border yet, it still feels different than if he was picked up in Shenzhen.

Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by battleangle on Friday December 06, 2019 @03:53AM (#21720171)
"There have been extensive reports of victims like British consulate worker Simon Cheng being abducted to the mainland and being tortured."

Did you even see his interview with the BBC? Legally would not say anything about his hiring of prostitutes. No medical evience of the torture he claimed. The only hard evidence that was provided were CCTV tapes of him going into local massage joint. You would think that if he didn't obtain the services of sex workers he would come out and say it. Interesting that the British also let him go.

I've seen those videos. You have to be kidding if that's sufficient evidence to say they are being shipped off to Chinese black camps. As for the alleged rapes - the evidence is even more lacking. The primary source used is a facebook account using a pseudonym who claims he's an emergency doctor who then says he "swears" that he's telling the truth.

Everyone needs to be held to a basic standard of logic and scrutiny, not a double standard simply because one might agree with the ideals of a group. There are numerous ludicrous claims on the government and police side. But the same stands for protesters as well.

Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by throwaway1997 on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:53AM (#21722221)
That massage joint is quite popular with HK locals. We cross the border and get hotpot and cheap (legitimate) massages. I've been there for a few times. Most of the masseuses are middle aged men and women.
Re:The Siege of Carrie Lam by Chris2048 on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:23AM (#21720554)
> The only hard evidence that was provided were CCTV tapes of him going into local massage joint

provided by who? Would Chinese authorities provide evidence against themselves?