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Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday December 05, 2019 @02:48PM (#21715764)
This is the justification for remote. You get the benefits of a full salary while avoiding close-to-work living costs and commuting time.

I spent a hellish couple of years in London living in a pleasant area but commuting to and from a startup near the centre, and since then I've been remote-only.

There are other trade-offs, but it's hard to beat for low stress levels and free time.

Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by dahfizz on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:08PM (#21718949)
Working remote really is the ideal situation.

Commuting sucks, but so does living in a city. It's noisy and dirty and crowded. You can't own your own property and crime is much much more prevalent.

Owning a nice, quiet house in a nice neighborhood without the commute is just heaven, honestly. At least for me anyway.

Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by ken on Friday December 06, 2019 @01:04AM (#21719611)
You avoid the close-to-work living costs, and also the close-to-work living benefits.

I’d save time, but then I’d spend it driving into the city, anyway, to do most of the things I want to do.

Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by black_puppydog on Friday December 06, 2019 @02:48AM (#21719958)
clarification: I didn't downvote you. dunno why people would.

but if you feel like that, consider if you're living in the "right" place for this. "remote" could mean instead of living in san francisco, living in a small town far away. or heck, somewhere in europe, where I live in the very city center on a student budget.

Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by PascLeRasc on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:44AM (#21722149)
This probably won't be a popular opinion here, but some of us actually want to live in San Francisco, and not just for the job market.
Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by gnat on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:16PM (#21718986)
I'm curious what other trade-offs you've noticed yourself making. Can you share?
Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by ycombinete on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:25AM (#21719489)
In my own experience with working from home, there are some insidious trade-offs. Especially if you are not closely supervised, or are your own manager in any way. I’ve spent the past 5 years working from home.

Social isolation is by far the worst part of it. We are social animals, and phone calls and voip meetings actually don’t cut it. If you (well At least if I) spend much time physically alone, I am lonely.

This causes all sorts of little problems. Including strain on your romantic relationships, as your SO becomes more and more central to your social world. As you can imagine, this is a recipe for countless problems. A kind of inertia appears, which makes it less and less appealing to leave the house. You want to see people less. You end up mixing up your work and leisure time (why are you working at 8pm? Why are you playing computer games at 10am? It doesn’t matter that’s why.)

There are ways to mitigate these of course. But they’re mostly just tricks. Like working in a coffee shop, or going for a walk in the mornings.

I think it comes down to the type of person you are. If you can get up every day, and crush work completely alone for a few hours, then use your extra leisure time alone productively, then keep an active social life (one good enough to compensate for the hours spent alone at home every day), then there are no trade offs. I am not. I’m easily distracted, I procrastinate, and mostly couldn’t be bothered to go out all the time to meet people.

Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by blaser-waffle on Friday December 06, 2019 @02:18PM (#21725058)
Man all of those points are spot on.

Working remotely is fantastic from a cost perspective but it is very isolating and lonely. It's hard to communicate with the rest of the team, and requires specific strategies to make things work.

It's easy to maintain discipline and inertia when you're in the office, and can't fuck off to your bedroom to nap or play with the Nintendo Switch.

Still a better choice, IMO, but absolutely has downsides, and I'd consider going back to in-person office work for the right role.

Re:Stress That Doesn't Pay: The Commuting Paradox (2004) [pdf] by lytefm on Sunday December 08, 2019 @06:29AM (#21735395)
> If you can get up every day, [..], then there are no trade offs.

I've been working remote-only for a couple of months now and did rather well on those parts: Doing sports in the morning, focussed working without slacking off - luckily, I can enter „work mode” as soon as I start my timer - and mostly spending the evening with friends or my SO.

However, I'm still feeling a growing sense of disconnectedness from my work and my colleagues. The feeling of „we're a team and building this together” over time changes into „annoying computer tells me to X”. We're having regular (video)calls, but the lack of social context definitely has a negative impact. 2-3 days of remote work would be optimal.