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Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by gorgoiler on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:27AM (#21712472)
Taxes redistribute wealth from areas of surplus to areas of need. If one lives alone forever in a log cabin one might indeed never need anything from the government.

However, if you need the police to help you, you are already getting something back. If someone else needs the police and the police catch the criminal who would have made you their next target, you are getting a benefit.

Now scale that up to the whole country. If you take part in a society where there is generally law and order — and moreover a society where everyone can read and write and some of them can manage air traffic control, and roads exist and people have the skills to build cars and sell them to you — well now you are taking part in the benefits of a society which would not exist without public spending, paid for with taxes.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by ixtis7 on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:46AM (#21712623)
I agree that it's silly to say that you don't benefit from government spending at all. On the other hand there is often a real sense of not getting what you put in. I imagine especially so on a forum like this where many are professionals of certain industries with relatively high pay.

For example: public spending per person in the UK is < £10,000 per year, which is much less than I pay in taxes. And I would estimate that I'm well below average in terms of spending received: I don't have children, don't have any large medical expenses, etc.

Of course, my cost to society will rise as I get older, but on average I would estimate that I'm paying at least twice (and probably many times more than) what I'm taking. And yet the current trend is for half of society to say that I'm not paying my 'fair share'. I'm not sure what definition of fairness they're using, but it's not mine.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by lexs on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:07AM (#21712850)
You might not have children but you do benefit from other people having children, just because you don't "take" as much as you're paying doesn't mean you don't indirectly benefit from the effects it has on society.
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by ixtis7 on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:17AM (#21712967)
Sure, I agree, but it's hard to imagine the multiplier for the 'externalities' is 2x or greater. Singapore is not some horrific hellscape where I couldn't live as I do here. Nor is Hong Kong (present situation there not being due to lack of tax revenue). They're educated (perhaps even better than in the UK), healthcare would be accessible to me, infrastructure is good. Heck, Singapore even has a massive public housing umbrella that goes beyond anything in the UK. So where is all the money here going?
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by pirocks on Thursday December 05, 2019 @04:56PM (#21717038)
There is a belief among many that the current situation in Hong Kong is caused by the housing situation in Hong Kong. Part of why taxes are so low in Hong Kong is that the government profits from the housing situation(by owning most of the land and/or having arrangements with those who own all the land).

Additionally your two examples are both high density countries, and may not generalize to a country like the UK. Also worth noting that these countries give up a fair bit in civil liberties.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by lexs on Sunday December 08, 2019 @09:21AM (#21735989)
Singapore has rougly 5.5m inhabitants and 780km^2 compared to the UK 67.5m and 242000km^2, slightly different situation, interstingly both your example are ultra high density, basically city states. Not everyone can be financal hubs for other countries...
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by umvi on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:39AM (#21712558)
The government is like a PSU though. Except it achieves nowhere near efficiency of even 80 Bronze. A large percentage of taxes just evaporate as "waste heat".

Politicians always just want to raise taxes instead of raising their tax efficiency rating.