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Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by gorgoiler on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:27AM (#21712472)
Taxes redistribute wealth from areas of surplus to areas of need. If one lives alone forever in a log cabin one might indeed never need anything from the government.

However, if you need the police to help you, you are already getting something back. If someone else needs the police and the police catch the criminal who would have made you their next target, you are getting a benefit.

Now scale that up to the whole country. If you take part in a society where there is generally law and order — and moreover a society where everyone can read and write and some of them can manage air traffic control, and roads exist and people have the skills to build cars and sell them to you — well now you are taking part in the benefits of a society which would not exist without public spending, paid for with taxes.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by ixtis7 on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:46AM (#21712623)
I agree that it's silly to say that you don't benefit from government spending at all. On the other hand there is often a real sense of not getting what you put in. I imagine especially so on a forum like this where many are professionals of certain industries with relatively high pay.

For example: public spending per person in the UK is < £10,000 per year, which is much less than I pay in taxes. And I would estimate that I'm well below average in terms of spending received: I don't have children, don't have any large medical expenses, etc.

Of course, my cost to society will rise as I get older, but on average I would estimate that I'm paying at least twice (and probably many times more than) what I'm taking. And yet the current trend is for half of society to say that I'm not paying my 'fair share'. I'm not sure what definition of fairness they're using, but it's not mine.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by lexs on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:07AM (#21712850)
You might not have children but you do benefit from other people having children, just because you don't "take" as much as you're paying doesn't mean you don't indirectly benefit from the effects it has on society.
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by ixtis7 on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:17AM (#21712967)
Sure, I agree, but it's hard to imagine the multiplier for the 'externalities' is 2x or greater. Singapore is not some horrific hellscape where I couldn't live as I do here. Nor is Hong Kong (present situation there not being due to lack of tax revenue). They're educated (perhaps even better than in the UK), healthcare would be accessible to me, infrastructure is good. Heck, Singapore even has a massive public housing umbrella that goes beyond anything in the UK. So where is all the money here going?
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by pirocks on Thursday December 05, 2019 @04:56PM (#21717038)
There is a belief among many that the current situation in Hong Kong is caused by the housing situation in Hong Kong. Part of why taxes are so low in Hong Kong is that the government profits from the housing situation(by owning most of the land and/or having arrangements with those who own all the land).

Additionally your two examples are both high density countries, and may not generalize to a country like the UK. Also worth noting that these countries give up a fair bit in civil liberties.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by lexs on Sunday December 08, 2019 @09:21AM (#21735989)
Singapore has rougly 5.5m inhabitants and 780km^2 compared to the UK 67.5m and 242000km^2, slightly different situation, interstingly both your example are ultra high density, basically city states. Not everyone can be financal hubs for other countries...
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by umvi on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:39AM (#21712558)
The government is like a PSU though. Except it achieves nowhere near efficiency of even 80 Bronze. A large percentage of taxes just evaporate as "waste heat".

Politicians always just want to raise taxes instead of raising their tax efficiency rating.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by nightcracker on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:00AM (#21712776)
> Why do we pay taxes? I know many people that have close to 0 benefits from government.

I guess they never use roads, the electric grid, the police, garbage collection, don't call the fire brigade when their house is on fire, just assume the country is protected from foreign invaders, don't need a hospital when they're ill, clean up their own roads, plant their own parks, etc, etc.

Bullshit.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by dependenttypes on Saturday December 07, 2019 @01:12AM (#21728795)
Sorry for being offtopic but I did not see an email in your profile. Would you by any chance happen to have this pdf? http://www.liacs.nl/~opeters/orlein.pdf

You posted the link in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9890599 a few years back but sadly it is dead now. I am a hobbyist interested in cryptography (and a fan of chacha) and so when I saw the "AEAD design similar to ChaCha, that was doing 1.5 cpb authenticated encryption" I got excited.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by nightcracker on Sunday December 08, 2019 @07:24PM (#21739505)
Wow, that was a long time ago. I do still have the PDF, but I don't really wish to proliferate it, looking back now. In particular the 'paper' doesn't contain any cryptanalysis, and just 'assumes' it is secure. I was 19 when I wrote it.

That said, the design of the mode of operation was quite elegant and efficient. Assuming you are familiar with the field, it consisted of taking the core of BLAKE2 as a tweakable secure PRP, with an important modification.

The core's 10 rounds was split in two sequences of 5 rounds, that transform plaintext to midstate to ciphertext and similarly from ciphertext to midstate to plaintext. We called those alpha and beta, so E(x) = beta(alpha(x)).

Roughly, each block of plaintext or authenticated data was processed using an always uniquely tweaked blockcipher. We took the the midstates of processing those blocks, XOR'd them together and encrypted the resulting block to get our MAC t. The tweaks also contained the AD and message length (through lambda_A and lambda_M respectively), so length extension/contraction attacks were defeated.

Visually encryption looked like this (you can ignore the subscripts, they were designed so that they were always unique for each invocation): https://i.imgur.com/FZCaYvf.png And decryption: https://i.imgur.com/hkBsqMn.png

The advantage of this scheme was that the authentication portion didn't require any additional primitives or crypto code, and was blazing fast. Furthermore, you only needed to do half of the computational load (for long messages) to verify that a message is genuine compared to fully decrypting the message. Finally the whole scheme is embarrassingly parallel - each block is independent from all others.

That said, only the reduced computational load for verifying isn't enough to offset choosing it over OCB3, which is very similar, and is proven secure.

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by dependenttypes on Monday December 09, 2019 @10:21AM (#21743347)
This is really cool, and quite impressive for a 19 year old. Thank you for your explanation.
Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by reallydontask on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:24AM (#21713050)
> I know many people that have close to 0 benefits from government.

somalia?

Re:Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite U... by Cytobit on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:56AM (#21713327)
Do those people travel on public roads?