Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by saagarjha on Monday December 02, 2019 @01:25PM
(#21685169)
Not everything can be neatly refactored out of a process.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by pjmlp on Monday December 02, 2019 @01:27PM
(#21685189)
Process boundaries don't protect against internal exploits, which is what most of the C and C++ exploits are all about.
If you are able to force a process to change its behaviour, the process boundaries become useless.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by saagarjha on Monday December 02, 2019 @04:13PM
(#21687015)
Process boundaries specifically protect against these exploits.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by pjmlp on Monday December 02, 2019 @05:07PM
(#21687566)
So how does a process boundary protect against Heartbleed?
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by saagarjha on Monday December 02, 2019 @05:17PM
(#21687662)
Process boundaries help you when you start jumping through a ROP chain that spawns a shell because your process doesn't have access to things that it shouldn't, even when compromised. Calling Heartbleed an example of a process "changing its behavior" doesn't really make sense in the context of exploits that can cause arbitrary code execution.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by dx87 on Monday December 02, 2019 @06:30PM
(#21688275)
You don't have to spawn a shell as a seperate process. Injecting and executing code inside a vulnerable process has been done for a long time.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by saagarjha on Monday December 02, 2019 @06:36PM
(#21688312)
A shell spawned in an unprivileged process is not very useful.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by pjmlp on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @12:49AM
(#21690266)
One doesn't need to spawn a shell.
Re:Microsoft is creating a new Rust-based programming langua...
by iCodeSometime on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @12:25PM
(#21704339)
Injecting and executing code inside an unprivileged process is not very useful.
That's what process boundaries are for. (As a bonus, you get protection from any Spectre-like issues arising in the old code.)