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Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FussyZeus on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:40PM (#21679639)
Right. The core problem with Oxycontin wasn't that it was an opiate: it was that Purdue sold it as an opiate that resisted addiction. This meant doctors prescribed it more readily and were less concerned about monitoring patients afterwards.
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by samatman on Sunday December 01, 2019 @11:20PM (#21679791)
This wasn't the first opiate which was touted to be less addictive than morphine.

That would be heroin. Our institutional memory is woefully short.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by refurb on Sunday December 01, 2019 @11:33PM (#21679834)
“Resisted addiction”? Do you have a source for that? My understanding is the FDA would never let the say that.

My understanding is that they said opioid addiction (in general) was a relatively minor problem and it shouldn’t stop doctors from prescribing them.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FussyZeus on Monday December 02, 2019 @12:19AM (#21680007)
I said they sold it as that, not that it was that and that was the source of the issue.

“Delayed absorption as provided by OxyContin tablets, is believed to reduce the abuse liability of a drug.”

That's what the FDA allowed them to publish. Possibly the most dangerous single sentence in the history of medicines.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by refurb on Monday December 02, 2019 @01:04AM (#21680186)
Ahhh, that makes sense.

It is actually true though. Delayed release would be expected to reduce abuse liability.

That doesn’t mean OxyContin is not addictive, it just means it’s expected to be less addictive than immediate release oxycodone.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by jdblair on Monday December 02, 2019 @02:26AM (#21680543)
People figured out pretty quickly that if you crush the pills, you absorb the oxycodone quickly. It was the coating that delayed absorption.
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by refurb on Monday December 02, 2019 @08:42AM (#21682194)
This is true, so users were pretty quickly able to get around it.

Although manufacturers have created a tamper proof version, but that just led users to move to heroin.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FussyZeus on Monday December 02, 2019 @09:26AM (#21682549)
Yes and no.

The first fault is that even the studies done by Purdue prior to release did not indicate anything close to the 1% addiction rate they advertised, it was more like 8-12%.

The second, most Oxycontin users who aren't well off eventually move to heroin, because the effects are very similar, and the street price for Oxycontin is much higher. Ironically, where Marijuana was demonized for a nonexistent gateway property in the original war on drugs, Oxycontin was actually demonstrably a gateway drug for heroin.

There's a very well researched episode of the podcast "Behind the Bastards" hosted by Robert Evans that drills down exactly into all of Purdue's dirty little secrets surrounding Oxycontin. Once you realized just how many numbers were fudged, how many studies fiddled with, it becomes clear just how much had to be made to go wrong in order for this epidemic to really kick off. It's quite damning.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FDSGSG on Monday December 02, 2019 @06:20AM (#21681503)
Are there any slow release drugs that you can't do this with? Shouldn't this be obvious to the doctors?
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FussyZeus on Monday December 02, 2019 @09:31AM (#21682591)
As a general rule Doctors trust the documentation given to them by the pharmaceutical companies, which in turn is approved after several rounds with the FDA, so one would think that the documentation would be pretty reliable.

The source of the issue really is just how hard Purdue was fudging their data. And I mean, you can say that a drug company shouldn't be the sole tester of it's own drugs and I'd agree with you, but good luck getting average people to want to pay for it by funding the FDA.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FDSGSG on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @03:25AM (#21700525)
I wonder if it is normal for slow release drugs to come with warnings telling you that you can crush them up and abuse them?
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by dillondoyle on Monday December 02, 2019 @03:34AM (#21680830)
the article submitted specifically address this and cites figures that Purdue marketed from one incredibly flimsy sentence to claim 1% addiction rates, when reality according to the article is 8-12%
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by refurb on Monday December 02, 2019 @08:43AM (#21682208)
Right. Purdue claimed opioids in general were less addictive, not that oxycodone itself was less addictive.
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by FussyZeus on Monday December 02, 2019 @11:00AM (#21683555)
No no, Purdue claimed that Oxycontin's time-release formula was believed to reduce it's addictiveness.

Which yes, is a pretty logical follow through, but also you'd expect more rigorous proof than "we think it'll do that" for medicines.