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Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by adolph on Sunday December 01, 2019 @08:26PM (#21679171)
I find it kinda terrifying how willing people are to blame pharma cos when the largest increase in deaths has to do with non-pharma opiods.

Availability of illicitly manufactured synthetic opioids (e.g., fentanyl) that traditionally were prescription medications has increased. This has blurred the lines between prescription and illicit opioid-involved deaths. In one study in 27 states, Gladden et al. examined data on drug products obtained by law enforcement that tested positive for fentanyl (fentanyl submissions) and deaths involving synthetic opioids other than methadone (referred to as synthetic opioids). From 2013 to 2014, fentanyl submissions increased by 426%. The increases were strongly correlated with increases in synthetic opioid deaths but not with pharmaceutical fentanyl prescribing rates, suggesting that the increases were largely due to IMF. In a recent report, fentanyl was detected in at least half of the opioid overdose deaths from July to December 2016 in 7 of the 10 states examined. [0]

0. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844400/

The CDC describes overdose deaths as occurring in three waves [1]. Normal pharmaceuticals are involved in wave one, starting in the 1990s. Clearly pharma co.s aren’t involved in wave two, heroin. What’s their culpability for wave three, the synthetic opiods starting in 2013? NIH above says not majorly. If pharma cos aren’t the source of fentanyl and wave two’s heroin, why are they the media focus point?

1. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/epidemic/index.html

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by harimau777 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @08:36PM (#21679215)
As I understand it, the argument is that the prescription opioids got people addicted and when they could no longer get prescription opioids they turned to illicit opioids.

Can anyone comment on the validity or invalidity of that argument?

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by bobcostas55 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @09:12PM (#21679344)
~75% of opioid misuse starts with people using them without a prescription. [0]

~90% of people who are prescribed opioids never develop addiction problems. [1]

Despite being in the midst of an opioid crisis with skyrocketing mortality rates, the mortality rate from prescription opiates has been ~stable for the last ~15 years. [2]

[0] https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-DetTab...

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25785523

[2] http://www.ncsl.org/portals/1/documents/health/APeeples0118_...

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by Spooky23 on Monday December 02, 2019 @12:15AM (#21679987)
Sounds great, until you realize that there are >200M opioid prescriptions filled every year. The numbers are large in absolute terms.

Something like 6% of american adults abuse alcohol -- and alcohol is less "addictive" than an opioid for most of the population.

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by ljf on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:18PM (#21679558)
Wow, one in 10 people prescribed opioids become addicted? I wouldn't like those odds.
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by dnautics on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:47PM (#21679667)
I don't know if that statistic is per course of prescription or per person, It's probably even lower if you know your family to have no history of addiction. If it is per person I'm frankly surprised it's that low given how prevalent genetic predisposition to addictive behaviors is.
Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by smolder on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:14PM (#21679538)
Opioid use without a prescription includes the massive amount of oxycodone sold as a street drug, which helped to seed this crisis.

I knew of people buying oxycodone on the street a decade ago, and it was clear their dealers had a supply of name brand pills beyond "pills stolen from the medicine cabinet".

Re:I was a drug rep and know how pharma companies pushed opi... by smolder on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:32PM (#21679606)
One illustration of this is that when they changed the formula to prevent injection and insufflation, heroin use rose. [0]

I seem to recall earlier stories linking the rise of prescription opiates in general to a resurgence in what had been declining heroin abuse, but I'm not finding anything.

[0] https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oxycontin-20170109...