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Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday December 01, 2019 @02:38AM (#21674362)
The problem with breaking them up is that the search engine is the whole ballgame. Separating the search engine from, say, gmail would have negligible benefit. It might even make things worse if the newly independent gmail company started doing a lot of the scummy things free email providers sometimes do to make a buck against everybody's existing gmail account.

What you really need isn't a breakup, it's some way to foster sustainable competition for search.

Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by headmelted on Sunday December 01, 2019 @03:21AM (#21674532)
I’d go further, and I’d be all for a full ban on targeted search and ads in the EU.

Google is programming people on a massive scale. Compare your news feed to your partner/friend/colleague’s phone.

No-one I know outside of tech has any notion that what they’re seeing on that feed is only shown to them. Social targeting in tech has completely broken society with these tools - and Google is arguably worse than Facebook in this regard because their feed is ubiquitous, people just don’t realize they’re in Google’s world the entire time they’re on the phone because they didn’t touch a Facebook or Instagram icon to start an app.

We assume non-tech people out in the world don’t know much about how this works, but the average user is even more naive than any of us realised.

Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by dillondoyle on Sunday December 01, 2019 @04:41AM (#21674711)
I'm not for it nor do I think it makes a ton of sense, but there's an argument to break up ads market/serving from supply side (could further break apart youtube & search).
Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by hos234 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @03:42AM (#21674584)
Search engine can be broken up regionally and the regional versions allowed to compete with each other globally. So Google France competes with Google Germany competes with Google Spain etc. This happened with Ma Bell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System
Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by AnthonyMouse on Monday December 02, 2019 @12:50PM (#21684780)
The breakup of the Bell System was a huge failure. When they were separate they never actually tried to compete with each other and then they just bought each other back up again.

What actually created competition for the telephone network was the internet. Competition from cable and satellite and cellular.

That's what you need. Something similar but not exactly the same, so they can each carve out a niche and provide a backstop against the most flagrant abuses but they aren't in such direct competition that they're more inclined to cooperate than compete. So that you have companies who can make choices knowing that their position is different than their competitors and the competitor can't just mirror their action to neutralize its competitive advantage, which otherwise removes any incentive to be the first to engage in pro-consumer behavior.

Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by ben_w on Sunday December 01, 2019 @06:20AM (#21674949)
Would that work in this case? I’d expect that to function like a massive multi-armed bandit test, but I’d assume (without any insider knowledge) that Google already does that internally anyway?

Would it be “better” (given the regulatory goals) to order Google to do XYZ and provide an audit trail to demonstrate compliance?

Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by hos234 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @07:12AM (#21675114)
Problem is new issues will keep cropping up every 2 days. And govt regulators have to keep reacting.

Putting pressure on Google requires seriously increasing competition.

Let the local units rebrand and compete against each other. Maybe even auction them off to other big players. Whatever needs to be done to even the playing field. Google need a nice kick in the ass for their own good health.

Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by vertex-four on Sunday December 01, 2019 @04:14AM (#21674649)
Yeah, and look how well that turned out - all the bits eventually merged back together to form the oligopoly you have in broadband Internet access today.
Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by hos234 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @04:46AM (#21674723)
Took 30 years and in that time the internet was born. Key is to keep creating conditions where they compete with each other. Nobody wins overnight if the game has good rules.
Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by bencollier49 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @03:12AM (#21674508)
Force federation of search data.
Re:EU antitrust regulators say they are investigating Google... by cromwellian on Sunday December 01, 2019 @09:34AM (#21675624)
The data is already federated, that’s what crawlers do - they crawl federated data.