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Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by emirp on Saturday November 30, 2019 @09:16PM (#21673380)
Why would you put antennas behind the moon?

I read the article: these antennas are radio telescopes (or perhaps just do the same job). So they're using the moon to block interfering radio signals from Earth.

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by basementcat on Sunday December 01, 2019 @12:27AM (#21674004)
They're listening to a doppler shifted version of the hydrogen alpha spectral line (~450 THz doppler shifted down to ~30 MHz) down to about the VHF television band (hence the almost "rabbit ears" style antennas). Being on the other side of the Moon shields them from powerful terrestrial transmitters. The massive doppler shift means they're listening (observing) to bubbling atoms of hydrogen closer in time to the Big Bang than what was observed by COBE or WMAP.

https://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/cobe https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by twic on Sunday December 01, 2019 @09:21AM (#21675585)
> We have the opportunity to perform our observations during the fourteen-day-long night behind the moon, which is much longer than was originally the idea.

And from the sun.

> The moon night is ours, now.

That probably sounds less creepy in Dutch.

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by edwinjm on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:46AM (#21675970)
"De maan is nu van ons" ;-)
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by twic on Sunday December 01, 2019 @12:12PM (#21676458)
This reminds me of another instance of Dutch hubris:

https://beeldbank.rws.nl/MediaObject/Details/Monument__Hier_...

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by gus_massa on Saturday November 30, 2019 @08:14PM (#21673159)
The satellite is in L2. More details in https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05231-9
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by gus_massa on Sunday December 01, 2019 @05:04AM (#21674772)
Self nitpicking: It's the Earth-Moon L2, not the Sun-Earth L2. Even more info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by mirimir on Saturday November 30, 2019 @06:56PM (#21672846)
I wonder how the antennas "unfold".

Are they perhaps nested rolled cones of thin metal?

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by Triesault on Saturday November 30, 2019 @07:19PM (#21672945)
I found a video of the Dutch team testing the 'unfolding' mechanism used in the NCLE. It looks like a spool that unwinds.

NCLE antenna deployment test - 25x: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hca3MeX-8rw

Web page with video: https://www.isispace.nl/projects/ncle-the-netherlands-china-...

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by mirimir on Saturday November 30, 2019 @07:48PM (#21673057)
OK, I get it.

It's like an extreme version of metal tape measures. Which are ~flat when rolled up, and then curve enough when unrolled to become ~rigid. But in this case, they seem to become almost cylindrical when unrolled.

I know that it's likely an old design. It's just that I know nothing about satellite design.

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by dbcurtis on Saturday November 30, 2019 @08:20PM (#21673182)
Some early Amateur Radio satellites (Project OSCAR) literally did use silver-plated steel tape measures.

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/popular-electronics/oscar-3...

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by hughes on Saturday November 30, 2019 @08:50PM (#21673277)
Many university-grade cubesats use tape measure antennas today. They can be easily stored during launch by wrapping them around the satellite body, secured with nylon fishing wire and then released by burning through the nylon with a NiChrome heating element.
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by dekhn on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:22AM (#21675850)
Aside- I was talking to a friend who works at a satellite company. He mentioned that one of the forthcoming missions, they are sending up a space-based 3D printer that prints trusses since it's more compact to send up the printer and feedstock than long structural elements. I wonder if you could print your antenna in space to get a larger one (but folding is probably more parsimonious).
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by unpolloloco on Sunday December 01, 2019 @10:58AM (#21676024)
This just reminds me too much of this movie: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by rozab on Saturday November 30, 2019 @10:28PM (#21673651)
Anyone know how and why this Dutch/Chinese collaboration came about?

I know that ESA headquarters are in the Netherlands. Do they just have so much space funding they have to look outside of Europe?

Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by greglindahl on Saturday November 30, 2019 @10:56PM (#21673750)
The ESA collaborates with everyone all of the time. It’s a great way to get the best instruments onto each launch opportunity.
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by timwaagh on Sunday December 01, 2019 @04:58AM (#21674755)
Dutch universities have funding outside of ESA or Europe. A lot of it is determined at the national level. there have been more academic collaborations recently between the two countries. The article doesn't mention ESA so i think it's just a chinese mission accepting a contribution from radbout and others.
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by ianai on Sunday December 01, 2019 @12:30AM (#21674015)
I appreciate the photos of the antennae. It’s not a critical mission element, but photos do speak louder than words.
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by based2 on Sunday December 01, 2019 @07:29AM (#21675166)
Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by sohkamyung on Sunday December 01, 2019 @08:43PM (#21679243)
At the bottom, it says:

> This article was originally published by Universe Today. Read the original article.

But it doesn't provide a link to the original article: only to the main Universe Today website.

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Re:Dutch antennas unfolded behind the moon by ttsda on Saturday November 30, 2019 @09:09PM (#21673355)
Why would it even matter to a Chinese hater such as yourself if you've only read the title anyway?