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Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by patcon on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:29PM (#21651747)
fwiw, I'm with you. Excuse the gratuitous war analogy, but I suspect the approach of OP is akin to talking about which first 8 steps to take (north-east, SW, S) when going into battle -- it's such a small scope of the whole event that it's pointless, and talking about those first steps makes one seem naive to the actual holistic task
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by btilly on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:35PM (#21651838)
The analogy is a very appropriate one.

If the OP spent a month learning Go, I am sure that it would make sense to him as well. Work through a series like https://senseis.xmp.net/?LearnToPlayGoSeries while playing Go regularly against a variety of opponents. Before book 3 it should be obvious.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by dragontamer on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:44PM (#21651911)
I'll have you know that I'm a 15 Kyu Go player.

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm well past "spend one month" learning the game.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by protomolecule on Thursday November 28, 2019 @09:30AM (#21657584)
I don't mean to offend you, but it seems you've been doing something wrong -- in my opinion, in more than a month you could've advanced much further than 15k.

If you like, I could have a look at several your lost games and maybe suggest how to improve. Just a 3k at kgs, but still.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by xiaodai on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:28PM (#21652795)
15kyu? One can easily reach that strength after 1 week. Some ppl become pro age 9
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by protomolecule on Thursday November 28, 2019 @09:32AM (#21657597)
And some people by the age of 9 learn how not to be mean to other people.
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by dragontamer on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:04PM (#21652127)
For the near term future, LeelaZero is the best public engine at computer Go.

This means if you enter a hypothetical "Cyborg" Go competition (computer-assistance allowed), the majority of newbies will simply be playing LeelaZero #1 plays over and over again.

You don't need to build an exhaustive opening book covering all possible moves. You only need to pick say, the top 5 moves LeelaZero ever considers. If you spend ~16-bytes per position and store 1-trillion positions on a 16TB Hard Drive, you'll be able to exhaustively map the top5 moves LeelaZero considers into 17-ply.

From there, you pick the positions that LeelaZero thinks its winning in, but in actuality is losing. You have a map towards 1-trillion positions to choose from, and your opponent (if they only pick from the top5 best moves LeelaZero ever outputs) will walk into your trap.

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As long as your opponent picks the top 5-moves from LeelaZero, you'll have the map towards victory. I think you're severely underestimating the abilities of a simple, dumb, opening database.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by conistonwater on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @06:07PM (#21653084)
I think you're missing btilly's point, which is quite valid. Bear in mind that 17-ply is absolutely nothing in go.
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by sooheon on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:37PM (#21652365)
Time to compile that static dictionary > time for alphazero to play a few million more games against itself to advance the metagame.