Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia

Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by zzzcpan on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:17PM (#21649772)

> The vast majority of people in Crimea are Russian speakers (as well as being ethnically Russian), not Ukrainian. It's been that way since the Russian Empire conquered the peninsula from the Ottomans in 1783. In fact, there's nearly as many Tartar (descendents of Ottomans) speakers in Crimea than Ukrainian.

This is misleading and factually incorrect. Everyone who speaks Russian also speaks Ukrainian in Ukraine, except for people who literally moved there recently from Russia and other countries.

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by cpursley on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:24PM (#21649853)

Yes, this is factually correct - just Google around for Crimea language maps. While this is true of mainland Ukraine (multilingual), Crimea has a different history. It was Russian speakers from the Russian Empire who displaced Tatars (a Turkish language). There was never a significant Ukrainian speaking population in Crimea. Most Crimeans don't speak any Ukrainian.

Just because you don't agree with Russian politics doesn't change the facts about which languages are spoken:

* https://www.quora.com/Do-they-speak-Russian-or-Ukrainian-in-... * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea * https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/they-spea...

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by zzzcpan on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:56PM (#21650800)

> Most Crimeans don't speak any Ukrainian.

No, most Crimeans do speak both Russian and Ukrainian, just like everyone else in Ukraine, since Ukrainian is the only official language and it's pretty much impossible to not be exposed to both languages, especially in education and media. After the fall of Soviet Union all the ethnic Russians in Ukraine (incl. Crimea) had no way of avoiding it and do speak Ukrainian.

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by cpursley on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:05PM (#21650898)

Are you Ukrainian? Have you been to Crimea? A language becoming official (which was only very recent) does not magically make everyone fluent. Sure, Crimeans probably all know some A2 level Ukrainian from media. But they are not fluent and are likely speaking Russian or Tartar at home.

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by brutt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:48PM (#21651321)

I'm Ukrainian. I was in Crimea. I have aunt in Crimea. I had no problem with Ukrainian language in Crimea.

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by cpursley on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:39PM (#21652379)

Ok. I might be wrong. Which part of of Crimea?

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by brutt on Thursday November 28, 2019 @08:27AM (#21657132)

Sevastopol, Simferopol, Alushta.

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by zzzcpan on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:10PM (#21650932)

Like half of the country are speaking Russian at home and at work too by the way. That doesn't mean they don't know Ukrainian.

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Re:Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia by cpursley on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:19PM (#21651020)

Please show your evidence, because it's not what I've read nor experienced during my visits to Crimea.

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