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Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by topkai22 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @11:13AM (#21649095)
Yeah, in the cited study is almost all externalities. Only something like $500B is attributed to direct subsidies or foregone tax revenue.
Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by givinguflac on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:19PM (#21649798)
"only" 500 BILLION. How is that small change
Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by topkai22 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:44PM (#21650071)
It's not small change, but when it is ~10% of the claimed figure I think "only" is the proper adjective.

It's what upsets me about these sorts of papers- "civilian" climate change skeptics/deniers point to them as evidence of the dishonesty of consensus community. They are able to take away the wrong message- that consensus community is stretching and manipulating the data, rather than there are $300-600B of subsidies for fossil fuels out there.

Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by tengbretson on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:59PM (#21650248)
If the author of that article had to misrepresent in order to pump the number up by 10x we can assume that they didn't think 500 billion was a compelling enough number.
Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by naasking on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:49PM (#21650139)
> Yeah, in the cited study is almost all externalities.

Negative externalities are a type of subsidy.

Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by DougN7 on Saturday November 30, 2019 @07:37PM (#21673020)
I think the point is it’s not a subsidy that could instead be spent somewhere else.
Re:Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong by naasking on Monday December 02, 2019 @10:27AM (#21683172)
Closing the loophole of a negative externality absolutely would generate revenue that could be spent elsewhere. Carbon taxes are a perfect example.