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Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by tcd on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:36AM (#21648709)
People have purchased - and installed - Google Home (and Mini's) and Alexa's in their homes. They think they're "cute", and offer a valuable service to them. They are a microphone controlled by data raping giants.

People use "Assistants" and enable full tracking technologies on their devices ("See how great it is Google has your every location on a map for the last decade").

People have not only accepted but embraced a full surveillance and tracking society; even if YOU don't accept it, you're part of it, people may add your contact to their phone that will be gobbled up in seconds by Facebook/Google/et al.

People don't care. End of story.

Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by danShumway on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:49AM (#21648835)
I don't think it is. The difference is that Gmail/Amazon aren't hated the same way as Facebook is. People aren't smart about surveillance, they're not smart enough to realize that giving Instagram access to their phone is a bad idea.

But, there are 2 perfectly capable home assistants on the market today that (right or wrong) aren't part of the same consumer-level narrative about privacy, and people like simple, straightforward, black-and-white narratives, like "Facebook cameras in your house are watching your child so that targeted ads can turn them into a nazi." That's a simple story, it's easy to remember and think about. Even ordinary, privacy-uneducated users like that story.

It's totally feasible to me that this device will flop due to privacy concerns. Scanning around quickly online, I can't see a single positive review (even from mainstream publications) that doesn't end with, "but of course Facebook is evil and you'd have to be stupid to trust them with a camera in your house."

I suspect Facebook just lost the narrative on this. They should have called it "Instagram Portal", and then the consumer situation would be completely different.

Most of my siblings have Alexa devices in their house. It's a privacy nightmare, but they don't care. Even so, none of them would be dumb enough to buy a Facebook portal. It's not even a sacrifice -- Alexa/Google work with more devices and have more features.

Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by matz1 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:57AM (#21648911)
>People aren't smart about surveillance, they're not smart enough to realize that giving Instagram access to their phone is a bad idea

I've seen this argument a lot, the issue is not people are not smart enough but people have different value toward privacy. I understand tech and yet I'm fine and even supporting this kind of tech. I understand its really hard and sucks to be in the side where you think is nightmare but other people think is not an issue. But thats the reality, people can have different value.

Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by umanwizard on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @11:56AM (#21649556)
Why is owning an Echo device any more of a privacy nightmare than owning a smartphone? The Echo is not always listening/recording; it is activated by a wake word.
Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by danShumway on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:29PM (#21649902)
First, the Echo is always listening for a wakeword, and just because of the inherent limitations of the device, will occasionally get wakewords wrong. By default, Android phones don't listen to wakewords when locked, and can be easily configured to require a button press before listening.

Second, the microphone on your smartphone is less powerful than the microphone on your Echo, and your smartphone isn't omnipresent in every room of your house simultaneously, including guest bedrooms.

Third, (opinion me) Amazon is a slightly less trustworthy company than Google, and a much less trustworthy company than Apple.

And finally, you can outright turn off assistants on your phone (and should). An always-on virtual assistant run by Google that always listens even when your phone is locked is also a privacy nightmare, but there's pretty much no reason to have that.

If you're paranoid about the security of carrying a microphone that could be enabled via software at any time, you can also install a custom ROM on your Android device that uninstalls Google Assistant and non-FOSS software entirely. LineageOS is really good, I highly recommend it -- it's just not feasible to install for regular, nontechnical consumers.

Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by myrakle on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:18PM (#21649784)
There were multiple instances of Echo waking up when the user didn't utter the wake word.
Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by umanwizard on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:19PM (#21649801)
And smartphones are immune to misrecognizing "Hey, Siri" ?
Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by input_sh on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:14PM (#21649739)
So, in other words, Echo is always listening for that wake word?
Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by umanwizard on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:17PM (#21649765)
Sort of. AFAIK it's listening with a dedicated circuit that only recognizes the specific word, not with a general-purpose listening device.

Again, how is this different from a smartphone that will wake up when you say "Hey Siri" ?

Re:Facebook Portal – Privacy review by nannal on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:39AM (#21648738)
They don't need to deduce anything, I'm already doing that when I visit the bathroom.