I see New Zealand lamb, frozen, in my Toronto supermarkets all the time ... they don't need to be alive.

and I see Argentinian meat sold fresh in Italy, plural of anectodes is still not data

That's not how that logical fallacy works and is also the Fallacy Fallacy[1]. An anecdote is absolutely proof that something is possible, just not that it's common or even statistically likely. Also, showing that something is an anecdote does not automatically invalidate the claim.

However, frozen meat exports from New Zealand alone is BILLIONS of dollars a year so I have no idea what point you are even making.

[1] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

you brought up frozen food, I was just stating the obvious, if they want fresh meat they have to import livestock.

but according to this community that's highly illogical, so go figure.

You are clearly highly emotional about this issue. I'm going to step out now.

You started crossing into personal attack already upthread, and here went over to the dark side. Can you please not do that, regardless of how emotional another commenter is or you feel they are? It degrades discussion and of course is against the site guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Message received.

They could import processed goods or simply go without them.

how dare them want to eat right?

What part about importing dead sheep instead of live sheep is the problem?

ah, the good old "I can't see why they doing it so they must be wrong" line of thinking.

dunno, on top of my head:

how much does shipping frozen good costs over short-medium distances?

how much does slaughtering cost in either countries?

how do you track if food was processed according to that market expectancy and codes?

why wendy is so big on touting his beef was never frozen?

and there's not even a general rule, shipping meat can be cost effective compared to animals depending on country of origin and destination, yet alone distances, i.e. https://library.wur.nl/WebQuery/wurpubs/fulltext/420339 and the result vary according to whether you're optimizing for cost or environment protection (and we know what companies tend to go for, right?)

Maybe we shouldn't optimize just for cost effectiveness if sentient beings are involved?

Yeah. The tl;dr here is really that some countries just don't care about animal welfare that much, or at all.

why is everyone so hellbent of depriving people from the taste of fresh meat? setting aside the specific requirement for processed food in these countries, why would you only want them to be served frozen products, if they can afford to foot the shipping costs? animal welfare is tangential and mostly impact on costs. I'm talking about availability, which people seem very keen of just removing because of perceived (and unsubstantiated) issues with livestock shipment.