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Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by pgeorgi on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:58AM (#21636381)
In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)
Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by microtherion on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:00AM (#21638286)
Yeah, that's what we LIKE the others to think.

Realistically, our armed forces are at a strength of about 140K soldiers right now (pretty sure that's not a state secret).

The parts of the terrain that are actually inhabited are not particularly forbidding (let them build their RISC processors in a hut nestled beside an 8500ft mountain pass. Don't forget to bring popcorn as you watch them).

And nuclear power plants make a big fat bombing target for opponents too lazy to make their own dirty bombs. Conveniently placed smack in the middle of the inhabitable part of Switzerland, too.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by beatgammit on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:44AM (#21638629)
According to Wikipedia [1], you have ~160k active military with ~1.5M that could be conscripted. That's not huge, but it's enough to give an enemy a bad time, especially with the Swiss terrain and strategic defenses. And I'm sure they'd have a bunch of other countries willing to back them up, depending on the belligerent.

I highly doubt it'll come to that. It would be much easier to just infiltrate the fab and replace stock going to an important destination.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Armed_Forces

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by microtherion on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @10:12AM (#21638898)
160k may have been accurate 2 years ago, but the number is shrinking continuously: https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/2019/militaer/bestand.sv...

> it's enough to give an enemy a bad time

That depends a lot on the objective, I think. The defenses against an enemy controlling the transalpine transportation axes are fairly strong. But I think this scenario gets talked up a lot for exactly that reason.

The defenses against an enemy controlling 80% of the population and 90% of the economy are much weaker. Then again, it might only take a few sysadmins armed with SQL queries to deal significant economic damage against any attacker.

> It would be much easier to just infiltrate the fab and replace stock going to an important destination.

True. And if I've understood the article correctly, no fabs would be changing location. RISC-V is an open source design, so the fabs in question would probably be located in the "enemy" countries anyway.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by K0SM0S on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:36AM (#21639825)
> ~1.5M that could be conscripted. That's not huge, but it's enough to give an enemy a bad time, especially with the Swiss terrain and strategic defenses.

Switzerland is filthy rich, too. Private fortunes thought to rival or surpass the biggest public billionaires, money pipes throughout the world beyond measure — the result of centuries of diligently building a discrete but very real financial empire... all of that has to count for something in the age of PMC's and acts of surgical retaliation projecting force accross the globe.

Taking on a too-rich enemy in modern times is choosing an all-out, extremely mobile, stupidly costly, and above all likely painful war. You'll lose a lot at the hand of the best weapons and talents money can buy.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:56AM (#21640078)
Rich doesn't mean anything if the currency is worthless. Switzerland has value in a consistent, trustable system and educated population. But without a larger military standing behind it, such as other European countries or the US, it's not going to be able to defend against a larger aggressor.

That's why an extremely indebted USA is still very valuable. Because they can park a few aircraft carriers off the coast of whomever they desire (although this may be changing, namely due to China).

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by pgeorgi on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:52AM (#21645847)
Off the coast of Switzerland? O_o
Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by Twixes on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:50AM (#21638692)
Pretty sure you'd need at least MOAB to damage a nuclear unit so that it'd become a level 6+ accident. These things are designed to withstand a jet crash.
Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by microtherion on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:54AM (#21638731)
Several of them are nearly 50 years old, so I'm not entirely sure to what safety standard they were constructed.
Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @03:51PM (#21696569)
Nuclear powerplant is a strength, not a weakness. Unless you are getting attacked by an army made up entirely of suicide bombers, they will avoid the reactors like the plague. No-one needs another Chernobyl.
Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by Abishek_Muthian on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:32AM (#21636515)
Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force. Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights.

But I understand where you are coming at, perhaps it is because major military nations poses A-Bombs. I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; My real worry is the non-democratic/pseudo democratic countries with A-Bombs.

Edit : N-Bomb->A-Bomb.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by pgeorgi on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:16AM (#21636674)
> Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force.

Switzerland's terrain wouldn't see regular war but guerilla warfare (including mined bridges and everything). Having trained marksmen in almost every household helps a lot in such a situation.

> Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights.

I think Switzerland would adopt a "whatever it takes" approach when attacked. At least that's what they credibly project, and so it's unlikely that they'll end up having to play it out.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by SiempreViernes on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:41AM (#21636808)
The the short form of nuclear weapons is conventionally a-bomb.

A n-bomb is more likely to refer to use of a slavery related term, and is very frequently used in some circles which include the current US president. So demonstrably democracy does not prevent the use of n-bombs, which happens to be true historically for a-bombs as well (which were used by a democracy essentially because the war wasn't over by the time they've built the thing).

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by Abishek_Muthian on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:57AM (#21636904)
Thanks edited.

>which were used by a democracy essentially because the war wasn't over by the time they've built the thing).

But the same U.S. President Harry S. Truman relieved General of the Army Douglas MacArthur when he wanted to drop A-Bomb on China during the Korean War.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by SiempreViernes on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:33AM (#21639793)
True, he did learn from that mistake, though it is still fair to criticise him for committing it in the first place and to point out that the democratic principles the USA espoused at the time did not save Nagasaki.
Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by leppr on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:18AM (#21636688)
> I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used;

There exist no country in the world where citizens have any say on nuclear weapon use. "Pseudo democracy" is the norm.

Re:RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb f... by Abishek_Muthian on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:28AM (#21636745)
I didn't mean, they have a say in pushing the button. But, they have a say in electing someone who maintains restraint and not a warmonger.