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Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by Mikeb85 on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:03PM (#21632795)
External wars != internal strife. Also, Switzerland is still fairly homogeneous despite having several official languages. Moreso than say, China, India, even France or Spain.
Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by debatem1 on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:07PM (#21632825)
Wait, doesn't that blow up this whole line of reasoning?

If language isn't the thing that matters for national harmony, then this is at best a red herring and at worst a fig leaf.

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by Mikeb85 on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:19PM (#21632927)
Language is one thing. Culture overall matters. There are a bunch of things which lead to homogeneity. Religion for example. Look at all the troubles Ireland has faced.

Culture is language + religion + food + social norms + ideology and probably other things. Not everything needs to be the same, but if too many are in conflict, social problems arise.

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by debatem1 on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:32PM (#21633037)
Ok. So, are you angry when someone with a different religion moves into you town? Or different food? Or different ideology?

I feel like the more this is being explained to me the more unsavory it seems.

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by Mikeb85 on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:49PM (#21633181)
Me personally? No.

But evidence of this is all around the world. Hindu mobs attacks butchers who sell beef in India, there's tons of contention over the rise of halal butcher shops and Muslim demands for halal options in the west, or even vegans that protest butcher shops for a non-religious example.

For religion itself, tons of wars have been started over it, that's easy.

As for ideology, look at the US and how fractured it is because of politics today. Or the historic communist revolutions. Or political violence in South and Central America. Both left-wing and right-wing violence against the other side are a thing.

People shouldn't care about these things, but they do, it's a thing.

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by debatem1 on Monday November 25, 2019 @05:08PM (#21633342)
So, you do have a problem with people speaking other languages, but don't have a problem with people having different religions, despite both causing the same issue you're worried about?

Not getting it. Starting to lean towards the "fig leaf" theory.

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by Mikeb85 on Monday November 25, 2019 @05:39PM (#21633567)
I don't have a problem with much really, certainly not language. I've lived all over and can live anywhere. I speak multiple languages and come from an ethnic, religious and linguistic minority (albeit not a visible one).

But it's pretty obvious that tribalism isn't dead. And what makes a tribe? And of course, we're trying to kill tribalism by simply making a more inclusive, bigger tribe. So what are the commonalities we'll have as part of that bigger tribe?

When borders don't exist anymore, racial discrimination doesn't exist, religion is dead, it won't be because we simply killed them. It'll be because we created a new ideology to supercede it.

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by debatem1 on Monday November 25, 2019 @06:47PM (#21634198)
I think you're arguing something that isn't germane to my question.

The OP on this thread said they would be irritated by (and I'm paraphrasing) someone coming in who spoke a different language. I am aware that such a thing exists, but wanted an answer to why. What you're addressing is the unasked first question, does such hostility exist?

I got confused because it appeared earlier in the thread that you were trying to justify that viewpoint on its own consequence. But now it seems like you were just steelmanning, which honestly isn't that useful to me on questions that are basically "how does your worldview work?".

Re:Japan wants foreign entrepreneurs, but what's missing? by claudeganon on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:12PM (#21632877)
I don’t know really how to respond besides to say you’re shifting goal posts to fit your narrative.

No historian worth their salt would be foolish enough to compare the circumstances of individual European countries with that of their former colonial subjects, nor things like the shifting borders and variations of thousands of years of Chinese history. Strife in China and India isn’t even independent from the influence of “homogenous“ countries in Europe!