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Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by Iv on Sunday November 24, 2019 @03:58AM (#21619227)
Why would there have been a missile crisis in Cuba if USSR was not a nuclear power?
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by pinkfoot on Sunday November 24, 2019 @04:02AM (#21619239)
Of course not, but it doesn't change the fact that the USA unilateraly committed itself to ending the entire planet if they didn't get what they wanted.

The USSR were the adults in that conflict.

So, yeah - the rest of us consider it entirely likely that Democracy will nuke us.

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by Iv on Sunday November 24, 2019 @04:30AM (#21619306)
If you have credible source to this version of the Cuban missiles crisis, I'd be interested to hear about that.

I have seen insanity on both sides but from reading both US and USSR propaganda, the latter was even less rooted in fact than the American one.

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by pinkfoot on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:02AM (#21619422)
1. the planet came within a stray bear of a nuclear war [1]

2. the USSR backed-down and withdrew from Cuba

3. the USA kept their nuclear weapons in Turkey [2].

https://lacrossetribune.com/news/false-alarm-how-a-bear-near... [1]

https://turkeywonk.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/turkeys-nuclear-... [2]

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by Iv on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:49AM (#21621053)
None of this comes to validate the opinion that "USA unilaterally committed itself to ending the entire planet if they didn't get what they wanted." and that "The USSR were the adults in that conflict".

The first link is about a near miss. There were a dozen of these on both sides during the Cold war.

The second link is about the equivalence USSR saw between missiles in Turkey and missiles in Cuba. This is not about being adults in the room. This is about Russia failing to being stealthy enough in Cuba. Seriously. They would have done it if they could have gotten away with.

And US would have simply bombed Cuba with conventional weapons. Something neither country wanted.

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by pinkfoot on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:04AM (#21621199)
> USA unilaterally committed itself to ending the entire planet

Would they have taken the nukes off the bombers if Swaziland had objected?

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by sam_lowry_ on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:56AM (#21619610)
And since then, moved them even closer.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by kortilla on Sunday November 24, 2019 @06:19AM (#21619707)
> The USSR were the adults in that conflict.

Adults wouldn’t have put missiles in Cuba in the first place.

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by pinkfoot on Sunday November 24, 2019 @06:41AM (#21619787)
Adults wouldn't have put nuclear missiles in Turkey first.