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Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by panarky on Saturday November 23, 2019 @12:34PM (#21615258)
The key ingredient in the obsession is that you're not seeking personal advantage. I wish there was a better word for this than pg's "disinterested" because it sounds strange to have an intense, all-consuming interest in which you're disinterested (see his footnote about choosing this word).

Because you're not pursuing personal advantage, this kind of obsession is incompatible with competition. You're obsessively interested in collecting old bus tickets not because you want to get paid, not because you want to be famous, not because you want to change the world, and not because you want to win.

So it's a bit weird for pg to identify "heuristics you can use to guess whether an obsession might be one that matters". If you care about whether a thing matters, instead about the thing itself, then you're not really disinterested.

As soon as your obsession becomes influenced by thoughts of personal advantage, then it's about garden variety ambition and determination, not the magical property of disinterest that pg describes.

Disinterested obsession may be a powerful source of innovation and progress, but the instant you intentionally try to harness this power in pursuit of progress, you destroy the magic of disinterest.

Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by Alex3917 on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:10PM (#21615499)
> I wish there was a better word for this than pg's "disinterested" because it sounds strange to have an intense, all-consuming interest in which you're disinterested.

It's interest in the sense of "conflict of interest", not in the sense of finding something fascinating.

Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by sah2ed on Saturday November 23, 2019 @02:34PM (#21615987)
Perhaps a word that connotes neutrality like “impartial” would be better in this context?
Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by CamperBob2 on Saturday November 23, 2019 @04:17PM (#21616619)
I'd almost say "introversion" or "selfishness" is the right term, if the latter weren't so prejudicial. You aren't collecting bus tickets or obsessing over infinite series to advance your own material interests or standing in the external world.

"Disinterest" doesn't work at all in any sense of the term. In the absence of overt mental illness, the bus-ticket collector must see it as being in his best interest to spend his time collecting bus tickets, or he'd do something else instead. ("You are your calendar.") The search for gratification, however externally meaningless, is certainly a valid expression of self-interest.

Put another way, if you would object if you were forcibly stopped from pursuing a goal, then you cannot be described as "disinterested."

Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by Terr_ on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:10PM (#21615497)
> I wish there was a better word for this than pg's "disinterested"

"Intrinsic motivation", perhaps?

Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by Jarwain on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:00PM (#21615440)
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the word "disinterested" either. "dis-self-interested" might be more accurate, but also not good.

Maybe "impersonal"? Still weirdly contradictory but closer to the meaning maybe.

"detached" or "impartial"?

The limitations of English are weird.

Re:The Bus Ticket Theory of Genius by tempestn on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:58PM (#21615781)
Did you see PG's footnote?

[2] I worried a little about using the word "disinterested," since some people mistakenly believe it means not interested. But anyone who expects to be a genius will have to know the meaning of such a basic word, so I figure they may as well start now.

From dictionary.com, the second definition of disinterested is "having no interest in something," but the first is, "not influenced by considerations of personal advantage."