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Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by GhettoMaestro on Friday November 22, 2019 @04:24PM (#21610233)
> At some point you just have to call out people for being utter morons. The blame is on them, 100%. [...]

Your attitude is a symptom of a broader issue that plagues this industry: Indifference to risk*probability. If you don't ship software with "secure defaults" (depending on the threat/attack model), you essentially are handing out loaded shotguns, then blaming the "dumb" user when they inevitably point it at their foot and click the trigger. Easy solution: Don't hand out the gun loaded -- make the user do specific actions that enable the usage. Yeah, it creates some friction to first time deployment, but that's a secondary concern to having your freaking DB leaking all over the place.

Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by outworlder on Friday November 22, 2019 @04:31PM (#21610300)
But ES doesn't hand over a loaded gun . Someone went out of their way to load the gun up.
Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by GhettoMaestro on Friday November 22, 2019 @04:38PM (#21610366)
Bullshit.

If firing up a piece of software creates an unauthenticated, unprotected (non-TLS) endpoint to read-write data, that's a loaded gun. That is PRECISELY the default behavior of ES.

ES has jacked around for years by making TLS and other standard security features premium. To that, I say this: Screw ES and their bullshit business model. Their business model is a leading cause to dumbasses dumping extremely sensitive PII data into a DB that is unprotected - those same folks aren't going to go the extra mile to secure the DB, either by licensing or 3rd party bolt-ons.

Thus, why it must be shipped secure by default. Anything less is a professional felony, in my eyes. Also, screw ES again, in-case I wasn't clear.

Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by YawningAngel on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:01PM (#21611032)
Is it a secondary concern, though? As a startup, uptake is as vital as oxygen
Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by wildmusings on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:34PM (#21611567)
Tort law is going to catch up to software soon enough and people will be held accountable for negligently creating or deploying software that they should have known would cause harm.

The fact that someone else down the chain should have known better is not a perfect defense. If that misuse was foreseeable and you didn’t do enough to prevent or discourage it, then you can still be held liable.

Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by geofft on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:04PM (#21611400)
If startups prioritize their growth over the good of society, isn't the logical conclusion that startups are a threat to society?
Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by glloydell on Saturday November 23, 2019 @04:51PM (#21616835)
They're not a startup.
Re:Personal and social information of 1.2B people discovered... by late2part on Friday November 22, 2019 @04:54PM (#21610522)
maybe. but there's always this....

http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html