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Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by ejcx on Friday November 22, 2019 @10:45AM (#21606586)
Yes it’s unfortunately standard for expensive scanners too.

Our goal was to make something easy to run and deploy with similar results to something like openvas or Nessus.

I personally think accuracy issues are because security vendors don’t want to show that their expensive software found nothing, so they dial down the accuracy. This works using the same methods as a Nessus, banner grabbing and indexing issues.

We are going to keep working on this and look for ways to make it more accurate, but I’d say our results with this versus our expensive scanners was pretty much the same.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by thaumaturgy on Friday November 22, 2019 @11:18AM (#21606942)
Yeah. FWIW those openvas reports really satisfied the C-level itch to have some kind of work product in the form of an official-looking report, and your looks identical. Overall you seem to have built an awesome toolkit to start with. Greenbone is a total pain to get working initially and openvas updates are broken out-of-the-box. If I were still doing this kind of stuff I'd be immediately trying out Flan Scan.
Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by jascii on Friday November 22, 2019 @11:59AM (#21607421)
"I personally think accuracy issues are because security vendors don’t want to show that their expensive software found nothing"

That might be a bit cynical, not sure I'd call openvas expensive.. I think it comes down to the fact that the damage of a single false negative can far outweigh the cost of the false positives. In the end, these scanners are mostly a tool to help document your security efforts, often for compliance reasons, making you think about and document the choices you make from a security perspective.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by ejcx on Friday November 22, 2019 @01:20PM (#21608319)
Definitely a little cynical =]. I think the same thing about a lot of 3rd party security consulting.

OpenVAS is free, but the big issue we've had with it is the complexity of setting it up and maintaining it. We are a security team, and would rather not spend our time managing servers, especially since we aren't the best people to do that at Cloudflare.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by bostik on Friday November 22, 2019 @01:59PM (#21608750)
Yeah, OpenVAS is a nasty piece of work to set up and operate reliably. Especially headless.

Shameless plug: I got it to work. Will be doing a talk about the experience at week's DC4420 meeting.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by papower on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:03AM (#21647176)
Are you in a position to share that session online or perhaps a blog post on your experience and approach ?

I've looked at it (openvas), got something working, but was never happy with it and ended up returning to a simpler/proven nmap base that I could manage better and add complexity if/when needed.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by bostik on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:40PM (#21652385)
I was planning to do a blog post in about a month's time. The DC4420 meetings and/or talks are not recorded (luckily!), but I intend to polish the talk up for a future re-run.

On the other hand.. I do have something that might be enough to get you going. The setup we built is open: https://github.com/smarkets/vuln-scanner - go have a look.

The glue code has comments on some of the stranger bugs I had to work around. So does the readme. If something isn't clear, feel free to ask.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by papower on Thursday November 28, 2019 @07:27AM (#21656749)
Thanks, looks promising.

One of my challanges was understanding the the zoo of tests OpenVAS would run and trying to reliably select which ones to apply. Did you, or anyone here, ever spot a way of outputting all the tests (nmap scripts etc.) that a particular run would trigger (but without actually running them)

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by bostik on Thursday November 28, 2019 @02:50PM (#21659764)
Sadly no. We tried to figure out a way to reliably and permanently disable a whole suit of test scripts, but that got surprisingly fiddly.

I think there might be a way to choose categories to include/exclude but haven't had the time to actually investigate.

Re:Flan Scan: Lightweight Network Vulnerability Scanner by brightball on Friday November 22, 2019 @01:35PM (#21608479)
This is accurate. Various types of scanners and sensors are standard requirements for even the most basic SOC2.