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Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by solotronics on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @12:50PM (#21586334)
"He said at least one patient had had the procedure but did not elaborate on whether that patient or any others had survived." I think this is a pretty important detail to leave out.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by sp332 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:49PM (#21587067)
According to an interview, they're trying to get the survival rate of this level of trauma up from 5-10% to maybe 20%. https://www.popsci.com/reanimators/ So there's not much to tell from one person surviving or not.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by ramblerman on Thursday November 21, 2019 @07:07AM (#21593304)
There is something to tell from just one person surviving. That would be a world first, and implies this 'could' actually work.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by jandrese on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @12:58PM (#21586446)
This is probably one of those times where if it had been successful we would have had a news story on it with an interview from the patient.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by chmod775 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:04PM (#21586510)
Suppose you only have one case of it being used and the patient had mortal injuries with a 5% chance to survive to begin with and is now in a coma, with maybe days or weeks from waking up if he makes it.

It would be a bit early to give some overeager journalist something to "report" (let's be real, more like: "exaggerate beyond recognition").

When patients only have a 5% chance of making it without the procedure, you need a lot more than a few trials to get a good idea of whether this procedure helps.

Also if I was a patient who just survived some traumatic injury from which a full recovery is unlikely, the last thing I would want is a bunch of journalists of all people bearing down on me immediately after. I rarely talk to journalists on my best days.

Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by amelius on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @05:06PM (#21589092)
Yet the most exciting phrase in science is "that's odd". And not "odd" in the sense of doing a statistically sound experiment, because that comes later.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by codingdave on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:05PM (#21587252)
Perhaps. We're talking about people with a 5% change of surviving their injuries. If this doubles their chances, 90% of the patients still die. So the result of a single case might not be as relevant as it would seem.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by hanniabu on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @04:54PM (#21588983)
I think it's irrelevant if you're in the US because when if you survive, the medical bills from this will kill you.
Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by dghughes on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:23PM (#21586740)
But survive the procedure or survive due to their injuries. There are two situations going on either of which could cause death.

It would be interesting to see how a healthy person reacts if they go through the emergency preservation and resuscitation (EPR) procedure.

Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by nradov on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:54PM (#21587132)
"The operation was a complete success. Unfortunately the patient did not survive."

-Anonymous Surgeon

Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by mxvzr on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:34PM (#21588197)
Still better than "Amputated the leg in under 2 1⁄2 minutes (the patient died afterwards in the ward from hospital gangrene; they usually did in those pre-Listerian days). He amputated in addition the fingers of his young assistant (who died afterwards in the ward from hospital gangrene). He also slashed through the coat tails of a distinguished surgical spectator, who was so terrified that the knife had pierced his vitals he dropped dead from fright. That was the only operation in history with a 300 percent mortality."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Liston

Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by DATACOMMANDER on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @06:48PM (#21589904)
“ Amputated the leg in 2 1⁄2 minutes, but in his enthusiasm the patient's testicles as well.”

Sounds made up, but I’d it’s not, that’s fucked up. You can’t do that by mistake.

Re:Rapidly cooling trauma victims to buy more time for surgery by blaser-waffle on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:14PM (#21598191)
Big knife, big slices, lots of force behind it... I can see it. A 2 minute amputation means they were going pretty fast.