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Re:How to recognize AI snake oil [pdf] by simion314 on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @05:51PM (#21579211)
>YouTube's "Up Next" recommendations do (significantly) better than random, therefore "Today ML can solve some problems".

IMO YT AI is the opposite of intelligent , it still recommends things I disliked. for some reason this basic rule of not showing something that I explicitly disliked was to hard for it to learn, I am wondering if it is truly an AI behind it or just statistics

Re:How to recognize AI snake oil [pdf] by cycrutchfield on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:41PM (#21579615)
If the goal is simply to maximize engagement, there is no hard requirement that the algorithm should never show you things that you dislike. Essentially, what I am saying is that your belief of what their objective function is may be different from their actual objective function, and that is in no way an indication that their model is a failure.
Re:How to recognize AI snake oil [pdf] by mike_hock on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @07:19PM (#21579894)
Isn't AI statistics?
Re:How to recognize AI snake oil [pdf] by simion314 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:26AM (#21581793)
The modern AI/ML is more like we throw a lot of data and we generate a model, we know that it works but we have no idea how and why.
Re:How to recognize AI snake oil [pdf] by dhairya on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @06:35PM (#21579566)
It's intentional. Controversy is a strong signal for the youtube algorithm.
Re:How to recognize AI snake oil [pdf] by simion314 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:34AM (#21581839)
I don't think so, the videos I was referring were music videos. I engaged with it in a way but hitting dislike on a music genre I don't want to listen(I normally don't dislike things because is not my genre) in the hope the algorithm will learn but it was even worse, it did not learned that I disliked artist X and genre Y it continue to play the exact video that I disliked,

The bad algorithm will force the unhappy user to use manually created playlists leaving less people to engage with the algorithm and probably have the algorithm getting worse in time as more users will avoid it

And even more interesting trying to google "how to make youtube not show X" it is a complete fail, it will just show you youtube video results.