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Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by ecf on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:05PM (#21575294)
I feel it’s a chicken - egg problem.

Are we embracing 20th century life by clinging on to old movie IPs, or are we just constantly being fed the same type of stuff by Studios who’ve found “their formula” for making content with a low risk of flopping, for example.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:12PM (#21575376)
We're embracing a subset of 20th century themes. Star Trek: The Next Generation was a very popular XX century series, and yet after it, never again[0] did sci-fi embraced the themes like optimism about the future, exploration, diplomacy, a society as a protagonist just as important as the heroes, etc. I'm saddened about it (and about post-ENT Star Trek reboots). I want my TNG back, and I'm not ashamed of clinging to it.

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[0] - With the possible exception of Disney's Tommorowland, and of course DS9, VOY and ENT Star Trek series from the same universe as TNG.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by jra_samba_org on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:05PM (#21576895)
The Orville is the spiritual successor to TNG in my opinion.

If you can get past the somewhat juvenile humor in the early episodes it's surprisingly good.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:18PM (#21577031)
Thanks for recommending and reminding me of it. I've seen the first two or three episodes and then stopped because life interfered; I'll revisit it!
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by goatlover on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @01:05PM (#21576059)
DS9 had an all-out war, Section 31, and Sisko being compliant in murder to further the war effort.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:41PM (#21577339)
DS9 was definitely the darkest of Star Trek series of the era, and made the realities of the Federation seem a bit less rosy. But it was dark relative to the very bright Star Trek baseline; in absolute sense, there's lots of positivity to be found in the series.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by thrownblown on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:20PM (#21577046)
have you seen the recent DS9 documentary "what we left behind"?

https://ds9documentary.com/

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:44PM (#21577376)
Didn't know about this, thanks for the link!
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by discreteevent on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:32PM (#21577222)
There's a Star Trek: Picard coming that might offer you some hope.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Picard

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:43PM (#21577358)
I'm waiting for it, but I've already heard rumors that they're taking it in the new direction and don't feel particularly obliged to the original Picard character, so I'm not too hopeful.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Izkata on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @12:18AM (#21581291)
Even aside from rumors, just watching the trailer for it alongside the trailer for Terminator: Dark Fate does not give high hopes.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by dublinben on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:47PM (#21575818)
The very popular Culture series by Iain M. Banks offers a very optimistic vision of the future.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by scrumper on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @03:18PM (#21577791)
Viewed through a certain lens it does; viewed more cynically it's a decadent utopia that engages in CIA-eqsue interference programs purely to stop a small percentage of dissatisfied citizens going haywire within the boundaries of the Culture. All controlled and directed by quasi-omniscient, paternalistic machines.

I think it's a very interesting exercise in exploring the space of post-scarcity, and Banks does a good job of looking at those consequences. It's telling though how little of narrative interest happens within Culture borders.

EDIT: But you're not wrong that it's at the upper end of the optimism scale!

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by CM30 on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:45PM (#21577398)
Probably the latter. Because as you say, studios have found their formula and want to stick to it as much as possible to minimise the likelihood a new film/TV series/book/game flops.

This makes perfect sense for a company (since they're almost always very risk adverse), but doesn't work so well if you want more original works or creativity. Entertainment requires outsiders, non corporations, etc to provide at least some of the works there, otherwise you'll get endless sequels, reboots and rehashes until they stop selling.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by schwartzworld on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:11PM (#21575364)
Por que no los dos?
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by bdamm on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @01:16PM (#21576191)
Indeed, I am patronizing the indie cinema much more these days. Mainly, because they have actually interesting movies, unlike the bland drivel that being spooned out of Hollywood.