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Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by n0rbwah on Monday November 18, 2019 @03:54AM (#21562835)
Yes, giving access to all communications worldwide to the cops still won't help them catch the abusers that don't record and post their abuse online. Which I assume is the majority of child abuse cases.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by jacquesm on Monday November 18, 2019 @05:38AM (#21563240)
The bigger problem the police have is not that they don't have enough cases go after, it is that they already are overwhelmed by the cases they do have and the fact that those departments are typically understaffed and overworked. It takes a special kind of person to be exposed to this crap on a daily basis and still be able to function, employee turnover is - not surprisingly - high and the effectiveness is relatively low because of the overwhelming caseload.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by mikece on Monday November 18, 2019 @07:55AM (#21563917)
This cannot be emphasized enough. Normal humans can’t imagine the depravity to which child predators descend. I’ve heard stories from the teams who review content uploaded to YouTube to remove this filth and people who were just looking for a paying job end up alcoholic, suicidal and psychologically messed up for life after Only a few weeks of encountering this this stuff as part of the flagged content review process for places like YouTube and Facebook. I can only imagine the counseling required for law enforcement agents working these crimes is intense... as well as the temptation to shoot all suspects they arrest merely out of disgust.

That said: banning encryption is not the answer to this.

Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by zozbot234 on Monday November 18, 2019 @08:22AM (#21564060)
Yup, my guess is that child predators, by and large, are basically criminal psychopaths. I wonder how many of them only prey on kids because they're such a convenient, vulnerable target.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by SkyBelow on Monday November 18, 2019 @11:11AM (#21565407)
From what I remember the research suggests this isn't the case. But that was research for predators in general, not the ones spreading abuse images, and thus the findings in the larger group may not apply to the smaller.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by jacquesm on Monday November 18, 2019 @08:29AM (#21564104)
Here is one particularly shocking example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_sex_crimes_case

Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by zozbot234 on Monday November 18, 2019 @09:07AM (#21564373)
It's interesting to note that this abuser was caught precisely because people looked at the images of the abuse and figured out that they had to be from the Netherlands. I suspect that this describes a non-trivial portion of successful prosecutions - especially of those responsible for a lot of abuse, as with this case.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by jacquesm on Monday November 18, 2019 @10:56AM (#21565285)
Yes, typically it is a bunch of coincidences that allows these cases to be solved. It's incredible the scale at which they operated and how long they got away with it.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by jstarfish on Monday November 18, 2019 @01:12PM (#21566598)
The problem is that perpetrators are not as stereotypical as people assume-- it's not the registered offender down the street, it's not the creepy guy in aviators living out of the panel van. "To Catch A Predator" really fucked up the public's perception of abuse perpetrators.

It's almost always the victim's parent/caretaker or other close relation-- but they always "seem totally normal" so nobody wants to believe it's happening and will excuse or look past all sorts of shitty behavior that, if it were performed by some random, would elicit disgust and antipathy and cause them to be run out of town.

I'm currently dealing with an abuse case. The family is uncooperative because they don't believe the evidence presented, and the victim has been coached into protecting the perpetrator. So the abuse will continue.

Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by jacquesm on Monday November 18, 2019 @06:28PM (#21569239)
I wish you all the strength in the world.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by synt4x1k0 on Monday November 18, 2019 @09:44AM (#21564644)
> employee turnover is - not surprisingly - high

Is it? From a quick search, I cannot find any academic papers that support this claim. However, I see some news articles that claim this.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0735648X.2011.63...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/104398621140589...

This paper mentions "turnover intentions", which seems broadly defined in the methodologies.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11896-010-9066-7

Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by jacquesm on Monday November 18, 2019 @10:57AM (#21565294)
That's just going by the people that I knew that worked in this field and the fact that suicides are yet another form of turnover. Ronald, RIP.
Re:Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing preda... by Koshkin on Monday November 18, 2019 @08:55AM (#21564299)
But they want to look under the lamppost - it's brighter there.