Re:The Case Against Boeing
by dredmorbius on Sunday November 17, 2019 @09:45AM
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Nearly 90% of the eligible population in the US have a drivers license. That's the bottom line.
It's definitely possible to survive without owning a car in multiple cities in the US...
That is a confirmation of the qualifier I gave: "It is possible, usually within narrow environments and/or with considerable compromise, to survive without owning, using, or access to one. It is exceedingly difficult, and the net household ownership rates within the US and most other Western / Industrialised countries, reveals this."
Note that owning a car is not the same as access to a car, and that in the context of understanding driving principles, car-share, hire, or borrowing a vehicle are included in use.
The Uber/Lift on-demand chauffeur service or traditional taxi/limo or van/paratransit services would not require driving skills by the customer, though I strongly suspect most such customers (possibly outside Manhattan) actually do, or did, drive.
Bunni Dybnis, a social worker at the Los Angeles-based geriatric care service LivHome, says [family intervention] is typically how older drivers decide to give up the car keys: Their child or grandchild intervenes. "I could probably say it's 99.99 percent not the older adult saying, 'I want to stop driving; help me,' " says Dybnis, because giving up driving feels like giving up one's independence.
I'd like to give the number of licensed drivers by state, as a percentage of population. That doesn't seem immediately available, though raw counts are:
Note that a licensed driver is one who is certified to drive, whether or not they own a car themselves or live in a household which does. And that rate tends to be high.
It also underlines my initial claim: that interacting in modern industrialised nations, and certainly the US, without any ability to directly use a car, is at best difficult and imposes numerous compromises.
That's a 67% rate for registered drivers, for all ages. Population under age 18 is 22%, so 11% of otherwise age-qualified adults do not have a drivers license.
It's definitely possible to survive without owning a car in multiple cities in the US...
That is a confirmation of the qualifier I gave: "It is possible, usually within narrow environments and/or with considerable compromise, to survive without owning, using, or access to one. It is exceedingly difficult, and the net household ownership rates within the US and most other Western / Industrialised countries, reveals this."
Note that owning a car is not the same as access to a car, and that in the context of understanding driving principles, car-share, hire, or borrowing a vehicle are included in use.
The Uber/Lift on-demand chauffeur service or traditional taxi/limo or van/paratransit services would not require driving skills by the customer, though I strongly suspect most such customers (possibly outside Manhattan) actually do, or did, drive.
For the US, household car ownership rates range from 98% to 65%: https://www.governing.com/gov-data/car-ownership-numbers-of-...
Even creating car-free zones, streets, or blocks within US cities is problematic:
https://www.governing.com/topics/urban/gov-car-free-cities.h...
The same article correlates car ownership with wealth, or conversely, lack with poverty. Apparently, if a household can own a car, it prefers to.
Eyeballing national data, similar trends appear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_...
Note peak ownership rates exceed 1 per person at national scale.
The question of giving up driving is a significant one among senior care and living, with numerous articles easily found:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/10/08/1623925...
https://www.seniorcaring.com/resources/talking-to-elderly-pa...
https://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/senior-driving.php
From the NPR story:
Bunni Dybnis, a social worker at the Los Angeles-based geriatric care service LivHome, says [family intervention] is typically how older drivers decide to give up the car keys: Their child or grandchild intervenes. "I could probably say it's 99.99 percent not the older adult saying, 'I want to stop driving; help me,' " says Dybnis, because giving up driving feels like giving up one's independence.
I'd like to give the number of licensed drivers by state, as a percentage of population. That doesn't seem immediately available, though raw counts are:
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/hs00/dl22.htm
Note that a licensed driver is one who is certified to drive, whether or not they own a car themselves or live in a household which does. And that rate tends to be high.
It also underlines my initial claim: that interacting in modern industrialised nations, and certainly the US, without any ability to directly use a car, is at best difficult and imposes numerous compromises.
OK, here's a 2017 US overview, in millions:
- Population: 325
- Licensed drivers: 225
- Registered vehicles: 272
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/statistics/2017/d...
That's a 67% rate for registered drivers, for all ages. Population under age 18 is 22%, so 11% of otherwise age-qualified adults do not have a drivers license.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045218