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Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by neogodless on Saturday November 16, 2019 @08:49AM (#21552604)
Someone with a better understanding of CPU architectures and instruction sets may be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Microsoft is working on bringing x86-64 emulation to Windows 10 on ARM? No doubt the headline is written to be a bit more consumer-friendly.

AMD pioneered this version of the instruction set with AMD64, and Intel actually adopted it as Intel 64, with minor differences[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Intel_64

Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by molticrystal on Saturday November 16, 2019 @10:48AM (#21553193)
>The original specification, created by AMD and released in 2000, has been implemented by AMD, Intel and VIA.

>Intel's project was originally codenamed Yamhill. After several years of denying its existence, Intel announced at the February 2004 IDF that the project was indeed underway.

If Intel wasn't so focused on the Itanium they would of beat AMD by years.

Anybody who was following the industry at the time knew about Yamhill at least by 2002, though Intel had conceptions on how to extend x32 to x64 well before that in a natural way, but instead went the resource and engineering draining Itanium route, allowing AMD to produce the first available chips.

While I only know murmuring on the peripherial about Intel's early x64, I'd love to hear insider knowledge about why management decided Itanium was so hot that they dropped everything about bringing x32 to its logical x64 conclusion.

Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by Lev1a on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:37PM (#21553815)
> they would of beat

* they would have beaten

Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:42PM (#21553842)
> wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Microsoft is working on bringing x86-64 emulation to Windows 10 on ARM

Isn’t that exactly what the title says? Which bit are you quibbling with? Or has the title been changed?

Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by Dylan16807 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:52PM (#21553914)
That AMD made x86-64, not Intel.
Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:55PM (#21553941)
They’re all just different names for the same ISA, and both parties have extended it since. Are you complaining about credit? AMD just extended Intel’s design to a wider format. Why should AMD get more credit? I do write AMD64 myself, but title is fine.
Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by Dylan16807 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @05:57PM (#21555488)
> AMD just extended Intel’s design to a wider format.

In that case just call it x86 as a catchall. But if you're going through the effort to specify the 64 bit ISA, then "Intel's" stops being particularly correct.

Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by sebazzz on Saturday November 16, 2019 @03:35PM (#21554795)
It is probably nitpicking, but IA64/Intel64 is also used for the Itanium instruction set.
Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by axaxs on Saturday November 16, 2019 @01:03PM (#21553965)
I'd argue that x86-64 is more clear and precise. Intel has other 64 bit architectures...
Re:Microsoft is working to bring 64-bit Intel app emulation ... by flatiron on Saturday November 16, 2019 @09:15AM (#21552717)
If it’s strictly 64 bit it’s not x86-64 it’s amd64 but the rest of your comment is accurate.