Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by cromwellian on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:20PM (#21550991)

I previously worked at Oracle for years in the dotcom era and I can tell you the company culture was horrid. It was completely sales driven, sales people would often lie to customers and promise the product had a feature which it either didn’t have or was not well supported and then have to fly in expensive consultants afterwards to fix the resulting shitshow.

I accompanied Sales Account managers with fellow female engineers to client meeting where they, and I’m not kidding, discussed which strip clubs they would go to after the meetings.

If Apple is a designer culture, and Google is an engineer culture, then I‘d say Oracle is driven by a hierarchy of sales culture.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by chrisseaton on Saturday November 16, 2019 @02:25AM (#21551488)

> It was completely sales driven

Another perspective is that Oracle is one of just a few tech companies left that has a proper dedicated research lab that does long-term research without asking about profit. I worked on my research project there for six years and nobody once asked me how we were going to make money from it, let alone talked about sales. That’s pretty special these days.

Oracle even paid me a senior developer salary while I worked on my PhD. Hard to say that’s ‘completely sales driven!’

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by saagarjha on Saturday November 16, 2019 @10:39AM (#21553150)

Isn’t that basically Microsoft Research?

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by chrisseaton on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:37AM (#21553478)

Yes like MSR. I said ‘one of just a few’ so that doesn’t invalidate what I said. There aren’t many. IBM as well.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by mav3rick on Saturday November 16, 2019 @03:04AM (#21551579)

Google has this as well.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by chrisseaton on Saturday November 16, 2019 @03:26AM (#21551616)

I don’t think Google has dedicated research labs do they? They’re very proud that they integrate research into (sales driven) product groups.

https://youtu.be/0wqc69oNbms

And so what anyway? Google is also good at supporting things not sales driven means that Oracle isn’t?

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by mav3rick on Saturday November 16, 2019 @04:40AM (#21551822)

Google specifically has Google Research and a Research Scientist track.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by chrisseaton on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:38AM (#21553488)

Their video says that’s not separate, but people embedded in product groups.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by dodobirdlord on Saturday November 16, 2019 @04:57PM (#21555244)

https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/10/quantum-supremacy-using-pr...

There's plenty of lab research going on.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by cameronbrown on Saturday November 16, 2019 @08:39AM (#21552554)

DeepMind, Google Brain, Google AI..

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by dralley on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:28AM (#21553413)

Project Zero could be counted as well

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by mrep on Saturday November 16, 2019 @01:43AM (#21551362)

> I‘d say Oracle is driven by a hierarchy of sales culture.

Isn't Oracle a legal driven company [0] :)

[0]: https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by newswasboring on Saturday November 16, 2019 @06:59AM (#21552218)

Discussing strip clubs in front of your colleagues is bad. Isn't worse because they are female.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by cromwellian on Saturday November 16, 2019 @07:37AM (#21552367)

True but it’s even more tone deaf when the sales bros/Mad Men aren’t even woke enough to realize what they’re doing outside the lockerroom.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by newswasboring on Saturday November 16, 2019 @07:51AM (#21552414)

Yeah but saying it to me (a male) would still be tone deaf, right? There are no locker rooms even in locker rooms these days. All I'm saying is, it being in front of me is disgusting enough.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by snagglegaggle on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:52PM (#21553913)

Why is that? Are you uncomfortable with men expressing their sexuality? Or perhaps you see strippers as abused and taken advantage of?

I personally think stripclubs arre a waste of money, but I know femenists that would take exception to either of those above.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by newswasboring on Saturday November 16, 2019 @02:53PM (#21554552)

I'm not afraid or uncomfortable with expressions of sexuality but a boardroom is hardly an appropriate place for it. I don't understand the argument that just because something is a normal part of life it somehow becomes ok to talk about it anywhere. Taking a shit is a normal part of life, that doesn't make it ok to discuss your weekly bowl movements in the board room. In different social settings there are different levels of comfort between people. You can be ok with strip clubs, there are perfectly valid opinions for and against them, but I come to a board room to discuss business, not your sexuality.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by snagglegaggle on Monday November 18, 2019 @05:55PM (#21569024)

If it was the topic of the board meeting, definitely not appropriate, but otherwise it's just the conversation was not meant for you. Can you imagine the abuse I'd catch if I complained about overhearing women talk about their periods? Or, to make it more fair, planning some kind of hypersexualized bachelorette party.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by gefh on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:43AM (#21553520)

It is bad, but also worse if they're female. Unless they were discussing male strip clubs?

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by newswasboring on Saturday November 16, 2019 @03:03PM (#21554619)

Please explain to me how it's worse? I find it offensive because it's discussion of sexuality and a sexually charged topic in a massively inappropriate setting. If I was a female, why should I feel worse? Just because the performers there are female?

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by cromwellian on Saturday November 16, 2019 @05:13PM (#21555297)

Yes. It's like saying if your colleagues are using the N-word and making racist statements, would African Americans in the room feel worse than the white people? Yes they would.

No matter how "woke" or allied you think you are, there's no way the lived experience of a white person reacts the same way to people reinforcing systemic racism than that of those who have to live under that experience.

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