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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by scarmig on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:33PM (#21550820)
Google throws away obscene amounts of money on non-adtech things. Some of those are pretty interesting and useful for humanity.

You can say, well, those don't count, because Google isn't making money from them! But if you take that route, you also have to exclude all the startups working on "interesting" problems that don't and won't make money. You're left with a very small set of companies. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the null set.

I'd say a fair assessment is a random team at Google is as likely to be doing something interesting and beneficial as a team at a random startup (which is to say, unlikely but possible). At Google, though, you're going to have both better average financial outcomes and lower risk.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by ColanR on Saturday November 16, 2019 @01:50AM (#21551385)
Google is an ad company with delusions of grandure.

It's nothing more, until it finds a way to turn a profit on its other ventures. (Just like those startups - realistically, until they turn a profit, they're just in the exploratory stage.)

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by pmart123 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @09:43AM (#21552852)
In some ways, they could be not only a driver of innovation, but profit off of it. For instance, the initial idea of spearheading Waymo makes sense to me: self-driving cars lead to more search queries and YouTube video views when someone is in transit. They didn’t need to own this technology though and should have sold most of the equity last year to GM or Ford as the OEMs moved into the space. Verily makes more sense to me, but it’s goal should be specialized cloud infrastructure for healthcare.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by notatoad on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:26PM (#21553742)
I was under the impression that Youtube, G-suite, Cloud Platform, and hardware were all quite profitable. Not to the same degree as ads maybe, but they would all be considered successful if they were standalone businesses.

Calling google just an ad company is ignoring a large amount of reality.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by x0x0 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @01:26PM (#21554110)
Youtube is an ads delivery channel.

afaik, hardware is nowhere near close to profitable once you add the costs of Android. Android is an ads delivery channel and a defense against ios usurping an ads delivery channel.

You have a point about gsuite and gcp.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by perl4ever on Saturday November 16, 2019 @04:38AM (#21551814)
Bell labs? Xerox PARC?
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by clairity on Saturday November 16, 2019 @04:41PM (#21555150)
> "At Google, though, you're going to have both better average financial outcomes and lower risk."

this is a classic misaligned incentive problem though. getting more pay for lower risk just makes the google workers risk-averse, so their success rate will be lower than startup founders who put more on the line (and who are therefore incentivized to make tougher decisions faster/earlier). a former founder-turned-googler friend admitted as much to me in casual conversation.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by scarmig on Saturday November 16, 2019 @08:24PM (#21555977)
Likely true. The average worker, though, doesn't want exposure to risk. The risk is almost purely downside for the average worker. Even "making tougher decisions faster and earlier" is a pretty shitty deal for a worker, in that they're going to be cast aside on a whim. And startups come with little to no upside risk to compensate for the downside risk (I say this as someone who's been bitten by shitty startup shenanigans).

Probably if Google were broken up we'd see many more and more successful startups, for reasons of funding and talent (and the end of the tendency for Google to make some halting inroad into a niche only to abandon it because of internal politics). That doesn't translate into a better experience for workers though.