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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by burtonator on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:09PM (#21549955)
Interviewed at Etsy about a year or two ago and the interviewer was asking me about politically charged topics. How I would handle workplace gender complaints. How they should handle racial diversity in the work place, etc.

It was really clear I was giving wrong answers. I told them flat out that I think people should be judged by the quality of their character, not the color of their skin and that the company should just try to be fair and hire the best people.

I mean I get that companies want to do the right thing but you can only really do ONE thing well.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by sailfast on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:08PM (#21550250)
I assume this was for a supervisory position or an HR position?

These aren’t really politically charged questions but rather questions about how to manage people and the issues that come with people. While the cause of the complaint may be politically charged, how one would handle the situation should be pretty by the book.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by Aeolun on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:16PM (#21550294)
Even if the book is wrong?
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by sailfast on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:41PM (#21551051)
No, not if the book is wrong obviously . In this interview case, however, you’d want to be pretty specific about where you thought those flaws might be and suggest ways to make it even better.

By “the book” I meant a well thought out process that follows the law, protects parties in a dispute, prevents retaliation, encourages reporting, and is well documented and understood. I’m probably missing a bunch of other best practices - not a certified HR Specialist.

My only aim here was to distinguish between disputes that arise in politically charged areas vs. the handling of those disputes which, I would argue should not be charged at all but rather an efficient run-through of a dispute process that “works”.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by crooked-v on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:52PM (#21550444)
"The book" in this case starts with legal obligations under the Civil Rights Act, the Age Discrimination in Employment act, etc. A milquetoast 'well, I treat everyone equally' doesn't even come close.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by AlexB138 on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:36PM (#21550832)
How is treating people equally "not even close" to complying with those laws? I feel like I'm misreading to your comment, but it seems like treating people equally is exactly the point of those laws.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by crooked-v on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:54PM (#21551086)
If a person is interviewing for a supervisory or HR position, there's a lot more involved than just their personal behavior, and even with personal behavior, just saying "I treat everyone equally" in a blandly shallow manner suggests a lack of experience with or thought about clashes of perspective in an organization.

Or, to use an analogy, consider interviewing someone who, when asked about their preferences and strategies for ensuring code quality, answers "I just write correct code in the first place". Even if they're correct in that statement, that's not the sort of person you want in charge of that subject, because most people don't work like that, even if they wish they could.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by barry-cotter on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:52PM (#21550893)
Just to be clear you’re explicitly saying that the law says that in a workplace context you should treat people differently based on whether or not they’re in a protected class.

Not the same, differently?

Because the entire point of the law on protected classes is that people should be treated the same regardless of being a member or not of a protected class.

Non discrimination, not discrimination.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by username90 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @01:49AM (#21551380)
You aren't allowed to treat protected groups the same. If you have a group of men and one of them say he is treated unfairly then you are allowed to ignore it. If you have a group of men and one woman, and the woman say she is treated unfairly then you are not allowed to ignore it.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by Gunax on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:21PM (#21550018)
Wait... those are the wrong things to say? They are practically textbook PR cliches.

They are not necessarily what people would actually do, but they sound like the correct answer in interview-speak.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by geofft on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:39PM (#21550096)
Er, if the question is "How would you handle someone you manage telling you of sexual/racial discrimination," the correct cliche answer is absolutely not to say "I judge people by the content of their character and pretend the color of the skin doesn't exist," or some equivalent form like "If the behavior would be acceptable if the people in the situation had different gender/race, then it's definitely acceptable." That would count as ignoring a report of discrimination that you're legally obligated to not ignore.

(We'd need to know more details about the question and the answer to be sure.)