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Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by michaelmrose on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:09PM (#21547159)
I would prefer a decentralized social network based on boxes you plug into your router with content shared in a way that fellow users bear the weight of shared content like torrents.

You could rent the box or buy outright with money to develop paid for by a premium on the box or by the rent wherein even a modest rent would outstrip the cost of buying like a cable box.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by erulabs on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:18PM (#21547253)
That’s essentially what a Mastadon instance is. If it’s hosted at home or on someone’s cloud account - the difference is only in connectivity speed. I’m extremely hopefully, perhaps naively, that a new internet isn’t going to be based on blockchain or owning data or any foundational change - it will be based on the ability for people to host their own server-side software again. The App Stores democratized client side apps, but they forced a huge centralization into platforms.

What we need is a cloud platform that allows people to deploy code to computers on their home network, or any cloud, or any data center... one that encourages and assists with cloud native design and aims to reduce load rather than hope you architect incorrectly and happily charge for the waste.

Perhaps I’m being naive, but it feels like a tooling problem, not a social or political or economic one. Anyways, I’ve quit my job at Stripe and just finished YCS19 with the goal of closing the gap between Facebook/Mastadon, Medium/yourBlog, Minecraft.com and a docker image...

And you’re totally correct about renting home server “boxes” too - except most house holds already have plenty of compute and connectivity - it’s just that installing / managing server software is completely out of reach to most people (and some developers!). It doesn’t need to be grandmas running router software - just the family nerd able to create on the internet again - and reliable enough software you’d actually invite grandma to signup!

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by rollcat on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:50PM (#21547568)
> What we need is a cloud platform that allows people to deploy code to computers on their home network, or any cloud, or any data center... one that encourages and assists with cloud native design and aims to reduce load rather than hope you architect incorrectly and happily charge for the waste.

Sandstorm tried this, and they got very very far.

I think it was ingenious, but the sysadmin in me was very skeptical about the HA/scaling story (there was none). I guess it's fine for self-hosting for yourself&friends, but there should be an easy way forward - after all, Kubernetes commoditised clustering (I mean - once you're past setup).

Where can I follow your efforts? You mention KubeSail in your profile, but that seems developer-oriented?

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by kentonv on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:52PM (#21548647)
We (Sandstorm) had an HA/scaling story, which we called "Blackrock"[0], and it was (and still is) the basis for the Sandstorm Oasis hosting service. I actually think we spent far too much time on that part too early. It turns out we could have operated Oasis by running regular single-machine Sandstorm on a beefy (though not that beefy) VM and been fine -- honestly, we would have had fewer outages and better performance. We probably should have spent our time making the platform work better for developers and end users instead, and built out the scalability later when customers really demanded it...

[0] https://github.com/sandstorm-io/blackrock

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by rollcat on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:56PM (#21549202)
Oh, I've somehow totally missed this - sorry!

> We probably should have spent our time making the platform work better for developers and end users instead [...].

I keep a number of folders / bookmarks / stickies, where I save all the quotes like this one, so that I can then stumble upon them randomly. This is the single most important thing to keep in mind when building any kind of a platform. Developers particularly, are often the most important users of your product, since they will over time help drive the momentum and keep on bringing value.

Thank you for this reminder.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by erulabs on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:00PM (#21550699)
KubeSail is the company, yes - and developer oriented only in the sense that it’s not “Enterprise” - the idea is to make cloud native accessible to everyone - to make hosting your own apps fun and easy and cheap again! We have a long way to go and haven’t launched anywhere yet, but you can join the mailing list or just signup now for a free cluster namespace :)
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by pmoriarty on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:15PM (#21547794)
"What we need is a cloud platform that allows people to deploy code to computers on their home network, or any cloud, or any data center"

Ease of deployment is one thing, but managing and troubleshooting these deployments is another. Ordinary people generally don't want to do any of these things.

There are some people who have both the technical aptitude and desire to do these things, but they'll likely always be a small minority. An even smaller minority will be willing to do these things long-term without getting paid.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by fgnkj on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:33PM (#21547975)
Mastodon is dead because Americans can't spell it.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by halflings on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:14PM (#21547216)
Sounds good in theory, but that is so far removed from what 99% of social media users do. Nobody wants to rent/buy boxes, handle routers, etc. ; most users are on mobile, on the go.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by magduf on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:20PM (#21547278)
Well the idea is they plug the box in at home, and the box is the server that contains all their shared data (photos, etc.) and lets them control how it's shared with others. Sure, they can access it from their phone, but the phone wouldn't be the server. The whole idea is that each user has control over their own data, instead of just handing it over to some big tech company.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by michaelmrose on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:47PM (#21547532)
Ideally no more complicated than setting up their phone and adding personal info/pictures. With an app store that defaults to installing only from official channels but with the ability to add channels more so like linux repos than the google play store.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by michaelmrose on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:49PM (#21547552)
How many users don't have home internet? You could also pay money for someone else to run it for you and later decide that paying $100 once was better than paying $10 a month forever. Note $10 a month x 5 years = $600.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by Mediterraneo10 on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:48PM (#21547537)
Running a server from one's home violates the terms of service of many ISPs, unless you upgrade to their significantly more expensive business plan.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by JohnFen on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:04PM (#21547680)
Yes, this is something that the user would have to check out. My ISP is Comcast (a regular consumer account, not business). My contract specifically says that I am allowed to run servers from my home, as long as they aren't intended to be used by the general public.

I've been running my own servers from home for a very, very long time and it has never been an issue.

Running a social media node would probably count as "intended for the general public", but I'd bet that Comcast wouldn't really notice or care unless the amount of traffic exceeds a certain level or they start getting abuse complaints.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by smichel17 on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:25PM (#21547899)
For this to succeed, I think you'd need a company that provided boxes as a service. Instead of having to order anything and plug it in, you just sign up online, the same as today's social networks.

Here's the twist: the company (presumably a non-profit or social purpose corp) would also offer the ability to buy your box, at which point they mail it to you; when you plug it in, your existing data is copied to it and you begin to self-host instead.

This makes it easy to sign up for and try out, while also offering a path toward self-hosting, once you decide you like it and don't want to keep paying the monthly fee.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by zozbot234 on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:42PM (#21547475)
> I would prefer a decentralized social network based on boxes you plug into your router with content shared in a way that fellow users bear the weight of shared content like torrents.

This is something that the SoLiD (Social Linked Data) initiative, based on web and linked-data standards, is expressly built to support; your "box" would implement what the initiative calls a Personal Online Datastore, or POD. Though "federated" third-party hosting of such datastores is also allowed for, of course.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by sherr on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:43PM (#21548051)
There was some hype around something called "Freedom Box" [1] a while ago, but it seemed to have gone quiet. Things like this pop up every now and then, and then tend to disappear.

[1] https://freedombox.org/

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by zozbot234 on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:52PM (#21548129)
What? The Freedom Box project seems to still be going strong. The associated, pluggable hardware has "disappeared" mostly because it doesn't seem to do much over what a plain old single-board computer (SBC) or mini-PC can do already.