Ohio bill would allow students to be scientifically wrong due to religion

Re:Ohio bill would allow students to be scientifically wrong... by mfer on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:59AM (#21544787)

Sabine Hossenfelder, a theoretical physicist known for being outspoken, recently blogged about how it's been a long time since something new was theorized and then observed [1]. Some things scientists talk about have had experiments run and their failed to show the expected results. But, there are scientists still talking about them as if failed experiments had not happened.

There are philosophers (who study logic, reason, and belief) who have noted that belief in unobserved things has crept into parts of science.

When people talk about scientifically wrong I wonder if we're talking about observed and through the scientific method or the many things that don't have anything close to an observation.

[1] https://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-crisis-in-phys...

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Re:Ohio bill would allow students to be scientifically wrong... by wjsetzer on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:09AM (#21544871)

This is not about defending new ideas, but about them trying to get Christianity into schools in an official capacity.

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Re:Ohio bill would allow students to be scientifically wrong... by mfer on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:30AM (#21545596)

What if we pulled all the belief systems out of public schools. Including the non-traditional religion ones held by by some scientists that are not observable.

Is this about belief systems, traditional religions, or something else? I ask merely to try to get to the core issue.

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Re:Ohio bill would allow students to be scientifically wrong... by arcticfox on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:11AM (#21544892)

Public school is K-12. All of the questions asked in public school have overwhelming supporting evidence.

I went through a 4 year engineering degree and didn't really get close to the limits of our evidence in anything (without it being made completely clear that we don't know).

So those concerns might be relevant in advanced physics education but they're very outside the wheelhouse for this discussion, and IMO serve as invalid whataboutism for the religious side of the argument.

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Re:Ohio bill would allow students to be scientifically wrong... by CharlesColeman on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:20AM (#21544970)

> Public school is K-12. All of the questions asked in public school have overwhelming supporting evidence.

This statement is profoundly inaccurate. All kinds of questions are asked in K-12 education, by teachers and students, whose answers do not have "overwhelming supporting evidence." School is not a parade of STEM: civics, a little philosophy, history, literature, etc. are all important and all included.

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