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Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by reaperducer on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:19PM (#21532199)
I was in broadcast journalism for 20 years, and these numbers seem about right to me.

When I started out, small market media outlets would find ways to pay recent J-school graduates sub-minimum wage and make them feel grateful to even get that. A surprising number of journalists, even TV news anchors, will have second jobs in small markets.

A place that tried to recruit me in Indiana wanted me to report the news in the morning, then sell advertising for the news in the afternoon, and half of my pay would be sales commissions. Naturally, I turned it down. I dated a newspaper reporter who did her reporting second shift, then worked third shift at a small factory.

Once you get to a medium-sized market (30 and up), you can make enough to survive, if you don't have a lot of debt or expectations.

It really wasn't until I got into a top ten market that I was able to keep up enough to stop getting calls from bill collectors. Once I got into a top-five market, then I could live well.

I loved journalism. I loved reporting. I loved telling stories. I hated the pay and the industry and got out.

Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by skrebbel on Thursday November 14, 2019 @02:37AM (#21533548)
What does it mean when a market is "size 30"?
Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by spencerwf on Thursday November 14, 2019 @04:25AM (#21534056)
The size of the viewing audience.

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Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by tempsy on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:04PM (#21532413)
Seems like part of the compensation these days is influence - on Twitter, especially.

That can be turned into additional income through book deals, which in turn can be turned into movie deals, etc.

Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by reaperducer on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:31PM (#21532522)
In a small market, there aren't going to be enough Twitter followers to be noticed for a book or movie deal. And even in markets large enough for those to be possible, they're one in a million or less.
Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by ianai on Thursday November 14, 2019 @06:55AM (#21534694)
How do people wind up working for seemingly big outfits at a young age? That seems like a recipe for a very slow to grow or advance career.

Also makes me wonder about my local news celebrities. But then my most easily brought to mind is a weather forecaster in a beautiful climate...

Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by ianai on Thursday November 14, 2019 @06:59AM (#21534712)
I’m wondering also what could be done to help increase those wages?
Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by ghaff on Thursday November 14, 2019 @08:25AM (#21535160)
>How do people wind up working for seemingly big outfits at a young age?

Most likely connections (and talent). They have also almost certainly done some journalism work, even if only freelance and student newspaper, so they have a resume to point to. The more common historical route was to work through a bunch of small market papers as the parent suggests.

>recipe for a very slow to grow or advance career

Not sure why--at least more than journalism generally. If I had a choice, I'd get on board the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times early on rather than spend a decade "paying my dues" covering high school sports and whatever else mostly passes for news in a 10,000 person town.

Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by gumboshoes on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:41AM (#21535684)
"If I had a choice, I'd get on board the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times early on rather than spend a decade 'paying my dues.'"

What an asinine remark.

Do you want the work? Do you want to be in the industry at all? Then you take the jobs that are on offer.

Who wouldn't skip to the top if they could? In all other cases, you take the long road, the hard way, the slog, and tough it out because you're made of thick skin, stern stuff, and strong character. You don't bail because it's hard.

Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by ghaff on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:52AM (#21536352)
What the F are you going on about? The parent suggested that going with a big outfit early on was a recipe for slow growth. I responded that, if you have the chance to land with a major pub early on, you should probably grab it. Of course, most will not have that opportunity and--perhaps more than many fields--may well have to work their way up. And, if that sounds singularly unappealing, maybe it's not the profession for you.

Leaving aside the question of whether, say, Google is actually a great place to work or not, I'd say more or less the same thing to a would-be software developer who didn't want a job in the field unless they could get a top-paying position at Google HQ.

Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by ianai on Thursday November 14, 2019 @04:42PM (#21539781)
Actually my impression was it would be difficult to find work at a big outfit early in a career.
Re:What people get paid to work in journalism by ghaff on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:07PM (#21541649)
Yes, that is certainly the case unless you have great connections and are likely especially talented.