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Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by criddell on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:55AM (#21524772)
It always seemed backwards that the touch bar is a pro feature. Aren't pros the group that learn all the keyboard commands? The touch bar seems like it would be most useful to non-pro users.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by BurningFrog on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:01AM (#21524851)
Yeah, I think "pro" just means "expensive" :)
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by ArPDent on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:24PM (#21527527)
the term " pro " appeared (by my count) 56 times in the apple press release. Pro to me is now just a marketing term.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by sbov on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:59AM (#21525562)
My assumption has always been that the "Pro" line is aimed at content creators. Because in lots of professional work you would want a plethora of ports which Apple doesn't give you.

When they started removing ports I use I switched to a Thinkpad T-series. It's been the perfect laptop for my use.

Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by closeparen on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:36PM (#21526923)
Faders are the right abstraction for a lot of pro media stuff. The touch bar is an okay middle ground between keyboard/mouse and a separate hardware control surface.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by gowld on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:28PM (#21527577)
Apple already has a giant touchpad. That's the sensible place to put the touchbar instead of breaking the Function keys.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by briandear on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:23AM (#21525887)
Can you do audio or video scrubbing with FN keys? Have you used touchbar with Photoshop or similar apps? A Pro User doesn’t mean “software developer” — there are a lot of other pros that really love the touchbar.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by criddell on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @02:25PM (#21528354)
Now that I think about this more, if you are right, then why don't the Mac Pros come with a touchbar keyboard? Video and photo editing are probably the primary uses for the Mac Pro.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by AmericanChopper on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:16PM (#21532737)
Because all of those use cases already have purpose built peripherals that would be more appropriate to use with a stationary workstation. Laptops benefit from something more portable and general purpose.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by criddell on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:09PM (#21526493)
That's fair, although when I used PS I used the function keys a lot.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by SZJX on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:47AM (#21526155)
Seems that their idea of "pros" are mostly people like music creators and photographers, not really developers.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by pdpi on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:33PM (#21527649)
Which is fair — film, music, design, photography have been the core pro markets for Apple for much longer than developers have been — Final Cut, Logic Pro and the defunct Aperture are clear proof of that. The Touch Bar kind of became the straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of people, but this prioritisation at the hardware level is much older, and much more pervasive than that.

That sort of creative also gets much more benefit from the four Thunderbolt ports than developers do (we mostly use them as inconvenient USB and/or display ports, and AFAICT Thunderbolt is borderline irrelevant. Same as with Firewire back in the day). As much as I enjoy using my iMac 5k for programming, it's when I use it for Lightroom that I really get a real benefit from it. Most of my development work doesn't benefit that much from an SSD (when I wrote C++ professionally, that was a different story...), but by gods it makes a difference when I try to edit 4k video.

Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by elicash on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:00AM (#21525578)
I mostly think of it as the emoji bar. It's genuinely useful for people (pros and non-pros) who type a lot of emojis to have them on the keyboard. But it's certainly not specifically a pro feature, I agree 100%.

Apple probably has better data on how it gets used than I do, but that's almost exclusively what I'd use it for if I had it.

Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by irrational on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:51AM (#21535766)
The new air pods are called Air Pod Pro. What does pro mean in this context?
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by foobiekr on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:21AM (#21525088)
AirPod Pro.
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by drngdds on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:35PM (#21531012)
They're Pro because they block out the noise surrounding you when you're trying to work in a godawful open-plan office
Re:16-inch MacBook Pro by jakear on Thursday November 14, 2019 @12:07PM (#21537084)
Funny, I actually bought them for the transparency mode, precisely so that I can hear the clickity clacking of everyone's mechanical keyboards. It's comforting.