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Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by beagle3 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:50AM (#21523913)
It’s the bitcoin of yestercentury. It doesn’t display wealth - it proves effort has been spent for something that’s mostly (or entirely) useless. Quite, but not exactly sunk cost.

People are willing to give something up for proof of effort; a personal union, or something else of value.

Whenever someone tells me bitcoin is a scam and has no intrinsic value, I ask them about diamonds, expensive art, etc. Most people cannot reconcile bitcoin and diamonds (as jewelery) in the same value frame.

Diamonds do have some functional uses of course, as does gold. But their price is wholly determined by the belief (whether justified or not) that they cannot easily be manufactured on demand. Just like bitcoin.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by ryanmercer on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:58AM (#21524047)
>It’s the bitcoin of yestercentury. It doesn’t display wealth - it proves effort has been spent for something that’s mostly (or entirely) useless. Quite, but not exactly sunk cost.

I really like that, bitcoin as the diamond of yesteryear. Effectively finite, has to be mined, only has value/importance because a group of people assign it one, has limited practical use (diamonds as abrasives mostly, bitcoin as a cookie crumb record of transactions) is seen as foolish/wasteful by others, you can't use either for practical trade as the vast majority of individuals/companies don't accept either for trade and both could easily be rendered worthless by a technological advancement or social change.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by ncmncm on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:05PM (#21531710)
The analogy is closer than you might imagine. The rock is not at all rare, and the bitcoins are often mined with other peoples' money.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @07:24PM (#21531402)
Ah yes. Every girl and woman I know would cherish a Bitcoin. It really sparkles in the light.

This is literally what my sister responded with when I asked her why she liked diamonds so much:

https://pics.me.me/hello-everybody-sparkle-sparkle-15208126....

Bitcoins aren’t pretty. Sparkling, finely cut specific rocks are. Sometimes it’s as simple as that.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by beagle3 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @01:27AM (#21533241)
Mojssanite (sp?) and zirconium stones have those properties as well, and cost much less. Some other gem stones are very hard to distinguish from diamonds without specific tools.

Does your sister have a preference for diamonds over finely cut zirconium (or even glass)? It’s likely not as simple as that, even if you and her try to rationalize it that way.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by 52-6F-62 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @07:52AM (#21534969)
I nor her have any specific preference for diamonds. I only explained why she, and many people, like them: it’s as dumbly simply as “sparkle, sparkle”.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by ncmncm on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:03PM (#21531695)
Yet, it never really is.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by dmihal on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:47AM (#21524676)
Interesting metaphor, but the difference between Bitcoin and diamonds is fungibility.

Unlike gold, there's no way to sell 1% of a diamond.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by AndyMcConachie on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:52AM (#21525470)
Good luck even trying to sell 100% of a diamond.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by dnautics on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:23PM (#21527509)
You can sell 1% of a really huge diamond, but its value doesn't scale
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by sgt101 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:46AM (#21525384)
Yeah, you can, you can pawn it. 3 days = 1%
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by magnamerc on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:20AM (#21525854)
Except bitcoin can't be manufactured on demand. I'm sorry, but this is a terrible analogy. There's a reason why people compare bitcoin to gold, because it makes for a better analogy, despite the fact that gold is actually ubiquitous throughout the solar system, and bitcoin is actually finite. For the record, I own zero bitcoin.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by klodolph on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:46PM (#21527062)
Analogy illustrates a point, it’s not meant to claim that two things are totally equivalent. It’s very hard to make an analogy on HN because someone will make a complaint about it like this one, and the overall effect just lowers the quality of discourse.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by beagle3 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:18PM (#21527437)
I don’t understand where you believe I am wrong; I said the gold, diamond and bitcoin all have the property that they cannot be manufactured on demand.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by oarabbus_ on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:47PM (#21527810)
I mean, it's a bit overly broad of an analogy. Iron can't be manufactured on demand either. Neither can corn.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by beagle3 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @02:15PM (#21528226)
Corn can be, and regularly is; iron is abundant. Both are priced by their functionality (with a price floor set by the cost of manufacturing/extracting/growing if we ignore subsidies for a moment). If they become too expensive, they will be replaced by other cheap metals or crop in most uses.

Gold/bitcoins/diamonds just become more desirable when their price goes up.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by tromp on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:02AM (#21525612)
> it proves effort has been spent

Diamonds only prove that in a very narrow sense, namely in that some gemstone expert (that you need to trust) can subject the diamond to a battery of sophisticated tests in order to testify to its genuine, non-counterfeit nature.

Bitcoin's Proof of Work is trivially verifiable in comparison.

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by TheGallopedHigh on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:33PM (#21526880)
To be contrarian: Bitcoin is only verifiable with a very sophisticated machine and algos...
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by ncmncm on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:06PM (#21531717)
I.e. a cheap computer and off-the-shelf software.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by bn7t on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:14AM (#21524254)
To be fair with bitcoin you can at least pay (in some places).

Also the worth of bitcoin is (kinda) backed by the worth of the electricty which is used to mine blocks (and consequently new bitcoins).

Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by nathantotten on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:49AM (#21524706)
I know you’re not being precise, but the term “backed” is not valid. For a currency to be “backed” or more accurately commodity backed currency, you must be able to exchange that currency for that other thing. I.e. money for gold. You can’t get the electricity back in exchange for your bitcoin. :)
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by Finnucane on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:57PM (#21527196)
Can you pay your electric bills in bitcoin? Even though dollars are not 'backed' by gold, you can still exchange dollars for gold. Just not from the government at a government-fixed price.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by nathantotten on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:45PM (#21527783)
Well, that is a completely different thing. That’s just a market exchange of goods/services.
Re:Diamonds Keep Getting Cheaper by Finnucane on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:12AM (#21544448)
Sure, one way is government price control, the other isn’t.