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Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by jamil7 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:34AM (#21522678)
Plants lack nerves or a central nervous system or the ability to directly react to their circumstances, at somepoint you have to draw a line somewhere and most draw the line there. Regardless, if you really believe that plants feel pain, you're killing a lot more of them by raising animals for dairy and meat.
Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by ad_hominem on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:43AM (#21523034)
Industrial plant agriculture kills and displaces untold numbers of small ground mammals. Thus the urban vegan doesn't get to pretend they have clean hands.

A pasture-fed cow kills approximately zero of the same.

Assuming your ethics give equal treatment to all mammals, the rural hobby farmer comes out far, far ahead of the urban vegan.

Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by igetspam on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:21AM (#21523655)
Cite your sources. This is a statement made by many without evidence.

Sure, if we all had a cow and two acres and lived in a temperature environment where the animals could graze all year, we could have milk after the cow has had a calf. But who impregnated her? And what are you doing with the calf because it needs two acres of grazing pasture too. And then who impregnates her next year and what do you do with that calf? Another two acres? What about the harsh winter or summer? You're going to need to supplement with extra hay. Off to the agricultural supply who... ah crap, they farm. Farming kills fuzzy animals! Now we're terrible again!

Cows, like all mammals, aren't unending milk supply systems. They dry up because they lactate for a reason. Your imaginary hobby farm is an unsustainable system.

Source: I have a grazing pasture and grazing animals.

Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by j2bax on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:44AM (#21523846)
Is rural hobby farming a massively scalable lifestyle? Would it still be less detrimental to the environment if everyone was doing it? I can’t imagine how much land, forests, wild animals that would displace.
Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by YeGoblynQueenne on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:06AM (#21522850)
Apologies for giving both your posts the snip, but:

>> Plants lack nerves or a central nervous system or the ability to directly react to their circumstances

Is the same as:

>> they don't scream and run away when we're trying to eat them

Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by ancarda on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:36AM (#21523770)
If we were to raise genetically modified cows that do not feel pain, would it be ok to eat them?
Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by sebsito on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:12AM (#21543957)
That's a great point! The pain rule seems a little arbitrary to me. Pain evolved only in some life forms for which it was beneficiary. It doesn't seem to make killing them more problematic than life forms which can't feel pain. It's only our emotions which react to pain and thus it seems worse.
Re:America’s largest milk producer files for bankruptcy by liaukovv on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:05AM (#21523553)
Most draw the line somewhere around dogs