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Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by sdinsn on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:15PM (#21518770)
> switches are expensive

Uh, no they aren't.

Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by bsder on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @06:14PM (#21519292)
Relative to a transistor, they sure are.

In addition, since switches are an electromechanical component, they also affect your mechanical case engineering which electronic components don't do.

Finally, if your device is "water resistant" or somesuch, you now have an even bigger engineering headache waiting for your design team. Especially since you don't want a pushbutton, you probably want a slide switch.

Switches and buttons are really expensive on electronics components from a relative cost and engineering cost standpoint.

Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by Johnny555 on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @06:53PM (#21519558)
Finally, if your device is "water resistant" or somesuch, you now have an even bigger engineering headache waiting for your design team. Especially since you don't want a pushbutton, you probably want a slide switch

The easy way to ensure that a switch is waterproof is to use something like a magnetic reed switch or hall effect sensor, so the switch just moves a magnet, which is sensed thorugh the plastic case. It uses more real estate than a pure switch, but requires no open holes through the case.

Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by vageli on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:58PM (#21520077)
> It uses more real estate than a pure switch, but requires no open holes through the case.

This is at odds with the (apparent) consumer preference of smaller everything.

Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by bsder on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @08:30PM (#21520308)
> The easy way to ensure that a switch is waterproof is to use something like a magnetic reed switch or hall effect sensor,

Um, using a hall effect sensor is exactly the kind of "soft switch" we're trying to avoid, no?

And magnetic reed switches are big, very expensive, vibration sensitive and failure prone. Since this is security, you're going to want it to fail open and you're not going to want a switch that closes briefly if you vibrate the phone.

Mechanical engineering is hard. Let's go shopping! ;)

Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by Johnny555 on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @08:55PM (#21520466)
What's the difference between a hall-effect sensor + transistor that the manufacturer promises is a hardware off switch and a hardware switch with inaccessible contacts that the manufacturer promises is a hardware off switch? Either way, the consumer is going to want a light or other indicator that shows when the camera is in use.

Reed switches are available that are a few mm long, they aren't exactly huge.

Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by kazinator on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @08:34PM (#21520330)
Let's go shopping ... for a metallic surgical implant for our index finger so we can operate the hall-effect-based camera/mic on-off switch. :)
Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by ineedasername on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @09:59PM (#21520821)
OnePlus, which is a comparatively "budget" smartphone, has water resistance and a slider switch. So there's no reason phones with even bigger margins couldn't manage it, not from a cost perspective. It just comes down to the fact that most users don't care.
Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by Arbalest on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:36PM (#21518971)
The switch itself may not be, but the mechanical effects (hole in case, board space, waterproofing, design testing and as GP said, warranty) makes it expensive.
Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by Teever on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:57PM (#21519159)
How come they can make a thin, power sipping high resolution OLED panel for like $100 that fits in a phone but they can't make a reliable switch that ensures privacy?
Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by Flockster on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @06:03PM (#21519216)
And the iPhone is coming with an mechanical switch since the first one, even in the waterproofed phones from the newer generations.
Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by vageli on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:57PM (#21520068)
I have no horse in this race, but switches are constantly manipulated physically, and can see more abuse and stress because of that.
Re:Facebook is using the iPhone’s camera as users scroll the... by Arbalest on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:01PM (#21519606)
That's a business case problem. Not enough people are asking for it. It's expensive because it lowers their margin by a notable (maybe not huge) amount. No one said it couldn't be done, just that it's effort for too little payoff.