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Re:Renaissance Technologies by soVeryTired on Monday November 11, 2019 @03:00PM (#21508303)
Well I'm saying it's both skill and luck, combined with hindsight bias.

They're famous because Medallion is the best performing quant fund. Even if quant funds were just chumps tossing coins, if you pick the best of a number of them, you'll get something that looks good.

Now that maths still doesn't stack up that they were just lucky - they probably had skill too. But I think it's more likely that they had a modest edge and were lucky than it is that they had a large edge and got an average result.

Re:Renaissance Technologies by Felz on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @12:23AM (#21511743)
Given that they're selected for being the very best returns, it's probably a decent (but not completely exceptional) combination of every factor- skill, luck, laundering, connections, etc.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/dC7mP5nSwvpL65Qu5/why-the-ta...

Re:Renaissance Technologies by maest on Monday November 11, 2019 @04:40PM (#21509198)
Thing is, with the amount of leverage they are running, it's more luck than skill.

Luck means making big returns, skill means doing it with low volatility and high Sharpe.

Re:Renaissance Technologies by tomp on Monday November 11, 2019 @04:49PM (#21509255)
The point of Sharpe is that it’s invariant with respect to leverage. Anything with sharpe 3+ is extremely impressive - that’s 3 sigma, assuming normal returns that’s like 2% tail event.
Re:Renaissance Technologies by rlucas on Monday November 11, 2019 @05:25PM (#21509560)
Yes, but Sharpe calculated ex post is also subject to survivorship bias.

For example, you might make a (successful) bet that works only in a low-volatility environment; if it works, your ex post Sharpe ratio will look ingenious.

Re:Renaissance Technologies by cepth on Monday November 11, 2019 @06:07PM (#21509898)
The point about survivorship bias is a fair one.

But, if a given fund (Medallion in this case) is able to thrive/survive during the 1998 Russian financial crisis (which felled LTCM), the 2000-2004 tech bubble bursting, the 2007 quant quake, the 2008 financial crisis, and 2010 flash crash, it would seem to suggest that their statistical arbitrage strategy performs well in all manner of environments.

After their very hefty 5/40 fees, their worst year between 2001 and 2013 was a 21% gain [1].

I understand that there are all manner of epistemic and mathematical problems that prevent us ever from completely disentangling luck and skill, but a conceptual framework like "The Superinvestors of Graham and Doddsville" would seem to apply here. I.e., after a long period of consistent overperformance, the case for skill starts to look much more likely.

[1] http://archive.is/JdQiw

Re:Renaissance Technologies by smabie on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:46AM (#21513596)
Sharpe isn’t invariant with respect to leverage. Volatility drag implies that a leverage will always decrease your Sharpe, unless your volatility is 0.
Re:Renaissance Technologies by maest on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @04:48AM (#21512858)
Sure, but volatility is not, hence the "low volatility" part of my comment.
Re:Renaissance Technologies by svd4anything on Monday November 11, 2019 @09:26PM (#21510983)
You really don’t know what you are saying. The leverage is to boost absolute returns. Sharpe isn’t changed by leveraging. They are automated black box strategies making 1000s of trades a day with massive undeniable statistically significant information content.
Re:Renaissance Technologies by smabie on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @04:28AM (#21512774)
Sharpe is actually changed by leverage due to volatility drag. Your Sharpe ratio gets worse and worse the more leverage you apply
Re:Renaissance Technologies by maest on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @04:49AM (#21512867)
> You really don’t know what you are saying.

There's no need for the aggressive tone.

> Sharpe isn’t changed by leveraging.

Indeed, volatility is, however.

Re:Renaissance Technologies by smabie on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @11:00AM (#21515090)
A change in volatility implies a change in Sharpe due to volatility drag. This only applies if you are compounding the returns though.