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Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by lisper on Friday November 08, 2019 @11:54AM (#21484074)
This article is incoherent:

> “It’s really complicated,” John Hansman, an aeronautics and astronautics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who is not involved in the repair, said of revising aircraft software. “It totally makes sense why it’s taking longer.”

But then...

> While the fix became more complex and politically charged after the second accident -- the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines jet on March 10 -- the changes to MCAS remained self-contained and relatively simple. “I could have a bunch of graduate students and rewrite MCAS in a couple of days and be done,” Hansman said.

So is it "really complicated" or "relatively simple" to the point where "a bunch of graduate students [could] rewrite MCAS in a couple of days and be done"? It can't be both.

Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by mannykannot on Friday November 08, 2019 @01:23PM (#21485127)
The impression I got from the article is that they are bringing all (safety-critical?) control-system software up to 21st-century standards of redundancy.

It was not clear to me whether it would be possible, in theory, to fix MCAS alone, and if so, who decided that it was necessary to go beyond that - Boeing? The FAA? Other countries' regulators? The airlines? None of these entities want another round of "you didn't fix it right", though their perception of risk and tolerance of it may vary.

AFAIK from this article, none of the earlier generations of 737s will be so modified, even though their systems are presumably very similar, in all non-MCAS aspects, to what the MAX first flew with. That's quite arguably a rational choice, once you recognize that there is a cost - benefit tradeoff even in air-travel safety.

This is a sort of technical debt situation. Ironically, if Boeing had not tried so hard to game the regulations, MAXes could be flying today with less fault-tolerance than they will have when they return.

Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by meristem on Friday November 08, 2019 @12:07PM (#21484235)
Read it as patching MCAS would be the grad students over the weekend fix, and the really hard stuff as redesigning avionics logic.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by lisper on Friday November 08, 2019 @12:17PM (#21484336)
OK, fair enough, but the complete redesign is only necessary because the simple patch didn't work, so the grad-student-in-a-couple-of-days comment is vacuous.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by jeanvalmarc on Friday November 08, 2019 @12:05PM (#21484212)
They're talking about two different changes:

"bunch of grad students"="patch MCAS to not auto-crash"

"really complicated"="redesign entire compute architecture to be multi-master and failure tolerant"

Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by heisenbit on Friday November 08, 2019 @02:16PM (#21485692)
"really complicated"="make an architecture usually done with three computers work with just two which were incidentally architectured and dimensioned for a different job. Get this done in a lot less time than usual and btw. you don't have the usual freedom to discuss constraints one usually has at this point.".