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Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by anticensor on Friday November 08, 2019 @09:39AM (#21482519)
Slightly redesigning the wings and fitting 4 engines which are sized similarly to ones in 737-400, instead of 2 large engines might solve the problem.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by foldr on Friday November 08, 2019 @10:01AM (#21482784)
>Slightly redesigning the wings

>fitting 4 engines

Changing the number of engines would most likely require a total redesign of the wing.

Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by throwanem on Friday November 08, 2019 @03:51PM (#21486599)
It certainly would. Most of the rest of the airframe, too, I suspect. These things aren't modular.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by xvf22 on Friday November 08, 2019 @09:43AM (#21482570)
Four engines are generally way more inefficient than two big ones. That's why they're being phased out. A340,B747,A380, BA146, etc.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by Xixi on Friday November 08, 2019 @10:53AM (#21483343)
Contrary to popular belief, quad engine planes are not inefficient [1], at least not in terms of fuel consumption (we are talking 1% to 2% difference). In terms of dispatch reliability however I think they are doing somewhat worse than twins, as they are more likely to have one engine out of service. And it not a small problem: a plane flying revenue passengers is an asset, but a plane not flying is a liability.

At least two of the planes you list are not being phased out because they were quads. The A340-300 was doing very well against the 777, however the A340-600 did very poorly against the 777-300ER. This is because the frame was too long and narrow, requiring extra reinforcement not to bend, thus ending up much heavier than the frame of the 777. The frame itself was grossly overweight, the extra engines were a rounding error.

The A380 was (and still is) extremely efficient (in terms of fuel burn per seat, at equivalent seating density), with a fuel consumption similar if not better than that of 787s or A350s, despite engines one generation older. It is, however, way way too big. In the end flying empty seats is very inefficient. But that has little to do with having 4 engines instead of 2.

The re-engined 777-9 will certainly be the most efficient plane flying when it is launched in 2021. Yet sales are lacking. It may, like the A380, turned out to be too big.

[1] https://leehamnews.com/2015/12/11/bjorns-corner-twins-or-qua...

Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by bdavis__ on Saturday November 09, 2019 @06:09AM (#21490822)
The transition from 4 engines to 2 was accompanied by a great increase in systems reliability. Look up ETOPS for details. The trade off between safety (loss of airframe) and reliability( plane has all engines functioning ) is complex. A 2 engine aircraft is more reliable than a 4 engine aircraft, but a 4 engine aircraft can still fly safely with less than 4 engines. ETOPS made the design margins increase such that 2 engines would have identical safety and reliability.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by anticensor on Friday November 08, 2019 @02:12PM (#21485650)
One engine out situation is called for while planning the flight.
Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by AceyMan on Friday November 08, 2019 @04:47PM (#21487183)
The need for all four engines being operable isn't changed by the viability of 3-engine flight. Once the plane lands its grounded for revenue service, and even three engine ferry flights are a huge affair to pull off.

So, de facto, each engine is strictly required, and having twice as many as a twin, quad jets are half as reliable as a twin, all other things being equal.

(me: licensed dispatcher who worked with the BAE-146 for a time. Incidentally, "BAe" stands for "Bring Another Engine" <grin>.)

Re:Delays in Boeing Max Return Began with Near-Crash in Simu... by raisedbyninjas on Friday November 08, 2019 @01:58PM (#21485476)
The entire point of the Max was to use these two new large higher-efficiency engines.