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Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by aaomidi on Thursday November 07, 2019 @12:14PM (#21475043)
Nah it's actually up for society to decide what they want to allow.

Nearly everyone agrees that political ads that lie are problematic. We the people think Facebook should do something about that. If they're unwilling to regulate themselves then we'll regulate it for them.

This can range from putting guidelines all the way to breaking Facebook apart.

It's Facebook's decision what they want their future to be.

Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by edmundsauto on Thursday November 07, 2019 @01:19PM (#21475741)
Zuckerberg has repeatedly asked Congress for clear guidelines, stating that FB doesn't want to be in the position of arbitrating this issue. Because it's an incredibly difficult task, politicians have punted.
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by Fellshard on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:31PM (#21476964)
It can easily be argued the Zuck is the one punting to Congress. It's a hot potato subject: whoever holds the potato when the music stops is gonna be badly burnt.
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by citrablue on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:23PM (#21478435)
It seems pretty clear he doesn't want FB to be the decision maker. Guessing his reasoning is probably more projection than anything else.

But back the "punting" metaphor -- he only has the ball because the US government never picked it up. Doesn't it seem pretty clear that these standards (re: hate speech, election ads, etc.) should be made at a national level, rather than a FB level?

Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by Fellshard on Thursday November 07, 2019 @08:24PM (#21479236)
> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Therefore - at least in the US - no, based on the 1stA and the reasoning leading to it in the first place.

One argument I heard that cuts to the heart of why I think this is a cynical partisan move: the same publications and media outlets pushing for and celebrating the removing of political ads from social media are the same ones who are running those ads in their own outlets. This means that the issue isn't over ads themselves, but over who has control over the ads.

Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by remarkEon on Thursday November 07, 2019 @12:22PM (#21475115)
Who is this we? The last thing I want is some kind of Ministry of Truth, be it within Facebook or the US Government, deciding what is and isn’t allowable political speech.
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by jacquesm on Friday November 08, 2019 @07:36AM (#21481665)
The Ministry of Truth won't be deciding what is and isn't allowable political speech. They will tell you what is true. And you already have that.
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by zaroth on Thursday November 07, 2019 @07:18PM (#21478918)
If your opposition agrees with everything you stated and how you stated it in your politics ad, it was probably a terrible horrible ad.

I don’t know where you get “nearly everyone” agrees that political ads that lie are problematic.

Today there was a funny Snopes fact check of a meme saying Democrats have tried to impeach every Republican President since Eisenhower. [1]

Turns out Democrats have introduced articles of impeachment on every elected Republican President since Eisenhower (Ford was not elected, he was appointed after Nixon’s VP resigned). Snopes rated the meme “Mostly False”.

You can deconstruct the “Biden Corruption” ad that Trump ran against Biden which CNN refused to run and find it contains only factual statements presented in an arguably misleading way.

The only fact I know is that the best political ads will present an opponent in the worse possible light using their own words to do it. As Joe Biden says in the Trump ad, “well, son of a bitch!”

Facebook is absolutely the last entity on Earth I would want to be censoring political ads in a critically important channel.

The idea that the Federal government should be in the business of threatening Facebook with obliteration because of political ads they don’t refuse to run — luckily there’s an Amendment to the Bill of Rights people should double-check.

[1] - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-president...

Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by diminoten on Thursday November 07, 2019 @02:05PM (#21476243)
We the people? No. Pass a law first before you claim "we the people" want anything.

And "we the people" wanted internment camps for the Japanese, and believed in the racist philosophy of Manifest Destiny, so maybe "we the people" shouldn't be in charge...

Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by 121789 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @12:26PM (#21475166)
I'm supposedly part of your "we" and I completely disagree with you
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by cbluth on Thursday November 07, 2019 @01:46PM (#21476037)
I think "we the people", as a society can and do decide what should and shouldnt be allowed as long as we can make a case, and the result can be a myriad of things.
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by 121789 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @02:14PM (#21476327)
Sure, and as part of the people, I think we should allow lies in political ads except in particular concrete cases (e.g. lying about polling dates).
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by snowron6 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @05:18PM (#21477916)
> I think we should allow lies in political ads except in particular concrete cases

So you don't think we should allow certain lies? We'd still be creating a list of lies that people can't tell, just a smaller one.

You're still advocating for banning lies in political advertising, but only if you agree with what is banned.

Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by Fellshard on Thursday November 07, 2019 @09:01PM (#21479418)
In this case, it's specifically what I'd call 'metagaming lies' - lies that explicitly break the rules or the frame of the political system. Misleading people as to the actual rules of the system are out of bounds, as it causes the system itself to collapse.
Re:Thousands of Facebook internal documents and emails publi... by aaomidi on Thursday November 07, 2019 @02:29PM (#21476462)
I love how my replies don't understand how representation works.

The whole point is a discourse, congress isn't a separate entity from the population.