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Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by boring_twenties on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:50PM (#21464980)
I'm no lawyer but this absolutely has to be unconstitutional. A more egregious example of unreasonable search and seizure is difficult to imagine.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by wonderwonder on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:03PM (#21465116)
Its close to as bad as civil asset forfeiture that the police use just to take whatever they want. In civil asset forfeiture they don't even need a court order to do it, they can just take it if they say they think it was related to a crime. Want it back and you have to sue. No public defender is provided if you choose to sue, meaning that people unable to afford an attorney just have to accept the police taking their possessions / cash.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by willyg123 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:35PM (#21465510)
Civil asset forfeiture was severely limited last year in a unanimous Supreme Court decision. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-1091_5536.pdf
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by mixmastamyk on Friday November 08, 2019 @02:57PM (#21486090)
Fantastic and a bit surprising considering the recent composition if the court. Wonder why this was allowed to continue so long?
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by powvans on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:39PM (#21465557)
Some lawyers will work on contingency. My wife is an attorney and has done some cases where a large of amount of cash was seized. It's a tough fight, but she has had success recovering assets from the government.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by sheepstrat on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:03PM (#21465108)
This feels like the kind of case that will be appealed up until the law is struck down.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by lonelappde on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @02:44PM (#21466335)
Nope. Courts have upheld it. And it's not a rare practice.

https://www.povertylaw.org/clearinghouse/articles/Remedies

Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by loopz on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:14PM (#21465239)
Perfect case to hold the administration personally accountable.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by bdcravens on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:20PM (#21465317)
By “administration”, are you referring to the office of the POTUS? I bash that office as much as any, but this is a state level issue, and even at the national level, it would be a judicial, not an executive, branch concern.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by colechristensen on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @02:30PM (#21466138)
Notice you're assuming the parent's reference and then saying it is wrong.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by bdcravens on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @03:03PM (#21466559)
There's an implicit "if" there, but perhaps I could have made that clearer.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by loopz on Thursday November 07, 2019 @01:49PM (#21476061)
Someone is in charge of the office "just following orders" and not questioning authority. That office should be accountable.

Thanks to OP who spotted this.

Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by planteen on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @03:43PM (#21467011)
What part do you think is unconstitutional? I think it would be very difficult to frame an argument that property tax is unconstitutional. All 50 states collect property taxes.

The owner in the article had unpaid property taxes for over 3 years and apparently underpaid the amount due right before a deed sale because he miscalculated interest. It's hard to know exactly what happened from reading the article alone. A court judgement would state the facts of the case more clearly. If the miscalculation was the fault of the county, it seems like they were in error and the deed should be invalidated. If the county gave him a quote and he intentionally underpaid (for whatever reason he justified it with), I wouldn't expect him to have recourse under the law.

States are broadly divided into tax deed and tax lien states. Michigan is a tax deed state and I am not familiar with the particulars of their law. I live in a tax lien state (Colorado). When you don't pay your property taxes, a lien is sold at auction. If you don't pay after 3 years, the lien holder can apply for a tax deed. This process takes 6 months. The owner is attempted to be served and notices are published in the local newspaper. You need to contact the county for the payoff amount, but the interest in general on the lien accrues monthly computed on simple interest (non compounding). The rate this year is 12%, so 1% per month.

There needs to be a consequence for not paying your property taxes or few would pay them.

Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by DuskStar on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @03:46PM (#21467042)
The unconstitutional bit is the seizure of $100k over an $8 underpayment. If your property goes to auction with a lien, the lien holder is paid back but you still get the remaining proceeds from the auction.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by planteen on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @03:53PM (#21467115)
That isn't how it works in tax lien states. The amount of money owed is irrelevant in the eyes of the county, only that you did not pay money owed in the time allotted. And as I said, they are quite clear (at least in my state) about the amount owed.

A property with a tax lien does not go to auction. The property tax lien holder is more senior to all other liens, except a federal tax lien. This includes being senior to mortgages, which is why mortgage companies typically keep your property taxes in escrow (to ensure they are paid).

Once a tax deed is issued, no compensation is paid to the previous owner. The title is not marketable for a period of 7 years. That is, a title company will not issue a warranted deed on a tax deed transfer. To resolve this, the deed holder needs to wait or bring a quiet title suit. The previous owner may get compensated in a quiet title action to sign a quit claim deed or similar to rectify the quiet title suit.

Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by jakeogh on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:48PM (#21468438)
If you must pay to continue "own" something, you dont own it.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by planteen on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @06:34PM (#21468766)
Yeah exactly. I remember when I was a kid with my dad going to the court house to pay property taxes. I was asking about property taxes and he said something along the lines of "You don't own land, you rent it from the government." It was a good explanation for a child. The internet is full of crackpot legal theories (sovereign citizen, etc) that contest this idea. None hold up in court.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by JAlexoid on Thursday November 07, 2019 @02:11PM (#21476298)
There's an apt joke for this: Q: Why is suicide illegal? A: Destruction of government property.

Truth is - property and property rights are largely a convention that we agree upon, that convention is how state/government is created.

Remember that there is only one sovereign in every single country on this planet - king, despot, president, parliament or the people. Individual sovereignty is practically non-existent.

You don't own the land or your body. We just agreed to protect each other's freedoms and grant certain protected rights.

Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by jakeogh on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @07:15PM (#21469086)
For primary residences, I think it's something that will get fixed at the local/state level.
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by sizzle on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @04:10PM (#21467330)
Why isn't property tax automatically taken out of a mortgage escrow account?
Re:Man Underpaid Property Tax by $8.41 County Seized Home, S... by planteen on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @04:12PM (#21467356)
It typically is. The mortgage company sends a check to the county when annual property taxes are due. Does your mortgage escrow work different than that?