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Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by tdy_err on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:27AM (#21462256)
That’s very blatant sensationalist journalism that conveniently does not mention that there is a person holding down a button the entire time that the car is being summoned.

If that’s “dangerous”, well, so is piloting it manually.

Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by mijamo on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:32AM (#21462301)
A person who does always what is in front of the car and what is coming behind or on the sides, and who will probably be looking at the button rather than the car while it moves.

That is just as dangerous as using your smartphone while driving in a parking lot, which is forbidden for good reasons.

Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by magashna on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:39AM (#21462373)
Do you stare at a button when you hold it? That seems very odd. If that were true, video games wouldn't exist.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by ceejayoz on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:46AM (#21462451)
The video shows the app with a radar-ish view of what the car is seeing of its surroundings and its planned route. It's more than just a button, and I could see why someone would be focused on the screen display instead of the car.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by rayiner on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:55AM (#21462576)
That’s a red herring though. It shouldn’t matter if the person is paying attention if the self driving tech is working. (As Musk likes to say, the person is just there to tick off a legal checkbox.)
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by wiggles_md on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @10:49AM (#21463690)
At what point do Musk’s statements represent a moderate legal risk?

For the sake of argument, could Musk’s statement, along with his very public insistence of being actively engaged in the design process, demonstrate a cavalier disregard for proper safety engineering at the management level (outside acceptable industry practice) and so a defective process?

Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by Piskvorrr on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @11:00AM (#21463807)
Well, that's a big if. Moreover, an if that has "nope nope nope" written over it with literal human blood. RIP EH.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by sunpar on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:39AM (#21462376)
The linked video talks about updating laws regarding the legality of operating the smart summon feature on public roads. I don't see how that can be called "blatant sensationalism".
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by mirchibajji on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:43AM (#21462428)
Someone inside the car has a better sense of the surroundings than someone operating it from a distance. They also don't have a skin in the game, which can impact the judgement
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by zip1234 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @09:16AM (#21462765)
It is the same 'skin in the game' as being in the car. They are not concerned about their own safety if driving the car in a parking lot, they are concerned about their car getting into a collision. No different whether in the car or not.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:36AM (#21462352)
Agree, a licensed human driver is in charge of a "summoned" vehicle. Any operation you might expect from such a vehicle is on the person holding the button.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @10:44AM (#21463622)
Human drivers aren't usually licensed for, and license practical tests do not cover, remote operations of the type being discussed.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by falcolas on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @09:09AM (#21462708)
So long as everything works perfectly, sure. But there's nobody in place to hit the brakes in an emergency scenario. Releasing a button as an emergency measure seems a bit unreliable, since humans tend to clench their muscles when there's an emergency.
Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by Piskvorrr on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @11:03AM (#21463838)
Worse:

AT+RELEA

NO CARRIER

Unless the car brakes the very instant the connection drops (and not when the timeout propagates through the networking stack), now you have two problems.

Re:Uber’s self-driving car could not detect pedestrians outs... by boomlinde on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:35AM (#21462331)
I have a similar sentiment about nuclear weapons. What's the problem if someone needs to be pushing a button?