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Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by CydeWeys on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:24PM (#21420554)
A common antipattern here in HN comments is someone using an analogy (which is almost always bad), and then the responses devolving into arguing over how the analogy isn't correct.

I honestly think a "no analogies" rule for commenting would do more to facilitate good discussion than the existing "no jokes" rule. Analogies are almost never useful. Even the ancient Greeks realized this.

Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by braythwayt on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:54PM (#21420973)
"You're painting analogies with an awfully broad brush."

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"Painting with a broad brush" probably began as an analogy, but once enough people use it, it becomes an idiom. If understanding is shared between speaker/writer and listener/reader, idioms are a useful shorthand for sharing some commonly understood argument.

So useful, in fact, that people often forget what the original analogy was. For example, the verb "rewind." How many people using it think of reel-to-reels, cassettes, or videotapes?

Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by papln on Friday November 01, 2019 @02:22PM (#21422124)
"Painting with a broad brush" is not an idiom, since it's meaning is deducible from its content, not only its contex. It's a metaphor (literally false as written, but calls to mind an analogy with truth -- both the comment and broad brushes apply the same thing to many targets without any careful differentiation)

http://learnersdictionary.com/qa/Idioms-metaphors-similes-an....

Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by braythwayt on Friday November 01, 2019 @08:06PM (#21424970)
Great link, thank you, I will use these words with more rigor in future. I think that “metaphor” is a much better word for the thing that is used to illustrate or add emotional oomph to an idea rather than to argue its merits.
Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by longerthoughts on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:52PM (#21420942)
Analogies can sometimes be a useful supplement to make an argument easier to digest, they just shouldn't be used as a substitute for a coherent argument. The latter tends to lead to what you're describing here:

>A common antipattern here in HN comments is someone using an analogy (which is almost always bad), and then the responses devolving into arguing over how the analogy isn't correct.

Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by erikpukinskis on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:43PM (#21420815)
> Analogies are almost never useful

That statement is too broad to possibly be true.

Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by qubex on Friday November 01, 2019 @03:58PM (#21423075)
And demonstrably false: what are numbers and arithmetic if not metaphors for acts performed on actual objects? “Get three apples, give away two, share what’s left with your sister” is encoded in the arithmetic analogy (3-2)/2.

Analogies... are more pernicious than you think.

Indeed, if one wishes to be extremely extreme, one might go as far as to argue that all language is ‘analogy’, insofar as it assigns symbolic monikers to real-world objects. Furthermore, phonetic encodings (alphabets) are a further level of analogy, as they posit that (for example) the “in” in “indeed” is “similar enough” to the “in” in “insofar” to be denoted with identical symbols. Those symbols are, themselves... you guessed it... analogies, metaphors, and other various kinds of abstractions.

Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by trophycase on Friday November 01, 2019 @02:13PM (#21422016)
Analogies are like the electricity of communication.
Re:Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B by qubex on Friday November 01, 2019 @04:27PM (#21423349)
Well played.