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Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by wonderwonder on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:15PM (#21420424)
If everyone stopped working, who would grow the food, build the houses or go to medical school? I do absolutely agree with the concept of a UBI but there has to always be people that work otherwise everything collapses.
Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by scottious on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:40PM (#21421612)
I think maybe they're suggesting that if you choose to work then you could better your life. If you chose not to work, you'd have some fairly modest no-frills lifestyle. There'd still be a strong incentive to work, but less intense pressure to always be employed. I feel like many people are in a situation where they need to have a job so they end up staying in jobs that they consider BS jobs just for that paycheck.

I think it'd be nice to have the option to not work, because then people could take risks and pursue things they otherwise couldn't... I'd never try to take a risk right now because my family is dependent on my passionless job. However if we could take a lifestyle hit (but still survive) and I could try out some business ideas or other career options that I've been thinking about maybe society as a whole could be better off.

I can't say I've thought this through entirely, but it's certainly an idea that intrigues me.

Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by wonderwonder on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:51PM (#21421743)
I agree with everything you have said, as well as everything the OP said. I just think we do need to really sit down and figure out the 'basics' of a UBI. I really like the concept of the Yang style $1,000 UBI as a starting point to essentially take the edge off of basic existence.

"I'd never try to take a risk right now because my family is dependent on my passionless job" - hello me.

Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by beat on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:36PM (#21420711)
Why would everyone stop working? If you were given the choice, would you just sit around and eat M&Ms and watch tv all day? Or would you work anyway?

Consider your examples. Who would grow the food? Farmers. Because people would grow food anyway (and do), whether or not they get paid, because it's intrinsically rewarding. Building houses? Jimmy Carter is rich and 90-odd years old and builds houses. Med school? Maybe people want to be doctors?

The jobs that are at risk in this model are the jobs that have no intrinsic value to the individual other than the paycheck.

Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by wonderwonder on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:54PM (#21420974)
Considering most farm workers are unskilled laborers making at or close to minimum wage, why would they work if they could get a UBI that covers all their needs? Farmers would still farm but that's because they own the land and directly benefit from it, they would not be able to perform all of the unskilled labor on their own. This could perhaps be offset if we drastically changed our guest worker program to allow unskilled labor in from other countries but it would have to be setup in a manner that denies these workers a UBI, otherwise they too would not work.

Same issue with building houses. The number of people wanting to perform unskilled labor would not come close to approaching the required need for unskilled laborers. For example I dont think anyone wants to be a roofer in the summer heat, the do it only for the paycheck.

Doctors? You are probably right, people will do it for the love of the work. I am very much pro UBI but there are still a ton of supporting things that need to be worked out.

Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by krapp on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:00PM (#21421046)
They will need to raise wages above what UBI offers (which will be subsistence level to begin with, likely lower than the current minimum wage) or else offer other benefits.
Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by beat on Friday November 01, 2019 @02:24PM (#21422142)
If "they do it only for the paycheck" is necessary for important work, how is it different from slavery? How are we not being coerced to do things that are, at the very least, unpleasant, for the majority of our waking hours?

You wind up in a world where freedom vs slavery is a distinction without a difference.

Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by sixstringtheory on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:39PM (#21421598)
Have you ever fed yourself completely from your own garden? That is very hard, back-breaking, dangerous (if you use machinery) work (albeit definitely rewarding). My grandfather was a dairy farmer and was missing part of a finger, knew more than one person who rolled a tractor, and at least one person who was pulled into a hay bailer.

I’d wager the marginal returns from moving beyond feeding yourself for free to feeding a nation are slim, to none, and very likely negative.

Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by madengr on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:51PM (#21420930)
Hobbies are intrinsically rewarding. Once you do it enough, it becomes monotonous. I don't think roofing a house or plowing a field is intrinsically rewarding past the fist few times.
Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by Mountain_Skies on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:41PM (#21421629)
How many hobbyist sewer workers do you know?
Re:Over a Third of Americans Battle Job Burnout Every Single... by beat on Friday November 01, 2019 @02:20PM (#21422103)
How much would I need to pay you in order to be a sewer worker? Today? Would you be willing to do it under any circumstances?